indeed. Night Of The Demon...this time I won't "haver" as we say up north.Originally Posted by Dave Jay
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indeed. Night Of The Demon...this time I won't "haver" as we say up north.
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Judging by what he's saying on the Latarnia forums, Night Of The Demon is one Bill is in two minds about repressing, as he purportedly received a bunch of shit around the time of its initial release from people bitching about Maria Kanellis being on the cover. Personally I really don't get the strong objection that some horror fans seem to have to labels like Code Red going down the horror hostess avenue. How is it really any different to Elvira hosting various horror tapes back in the eighties? At the end of the day these are fairly marginal films, and if giving them something of a collective brand identity and using a hostess to give some kind of crossover appeal helps sell a few extra copies, more power to them I say. I really don't buy into this daft mentality that having Maria Kanellis on the cover of the DVD and doing a cheesy intro (which the viewer can skip anyway) somehow diminishes the DVD's collectability, or somehow disrespects the film itself. Load of rubbish if you ask me!
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I bought Night of the Demon when it was first available from Code Red. I don't mind what is done to the cover or the DVD or having an intro not connected with the original film. As long as a film is uncut and the best possible print available then what is the problem ?
Its alot better than the crappy cut Vipco DVD. Put it in a pink box with daisies on the front, its the film thats important.
Is ordering direct from Code Red going to be the way for the time being, or forever.? As I would like to get my hands on Nightmare Maker when it appears.
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Some film fans seriously have way too much time on their hands when they complain about Maria Kanellis hosting a batch of films or the cover not being completely to their individual tastes. I agree that the most important thing is that the film is uncut or as close to uncut as possible when the material is lost. They bitched about Nightmare when it came out and now it's OOP. So, now these idiots don't own the film and are bitching about how much it costs on Amazon!!! WTF!!!
I can't even remember if I've even seen Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker. Is it one worth having?
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Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker is a solid genre film, in which a teenage boy, whose parents were killed in a car accident at a young age, finds himself under the control of his increasingly psychotic Aunt, who resorts to increasingly manipulative and murderous means to keep her nephew under her control. It's an effective little film, highlighted by fine performances from the late Susan Tyrrell as the psychotically controlling aunt and Bo Svenson as the bigoted, homophobic detective investigating the killings. However, I personally feel that years of poor availability have led to it being somewhat embellished in some online circles with a cult classic status that it doesn't really deserve. Don't get me wrong it is good, and I'll buy the eventual Code Red in a heartbeat when Bill releases it, but it's not the lost classic some trump it up to be. However, that's just my personal opinion, for what it's worth.
Unless Bill Olsen secures another distribution deal, the direct selling route seems like the way forward for the time being. I have placed numerous orders with Bill since he began selling directly, and I can confirm his service is excellent. In fact several of my orders have arrived inside of a week from the United States. So you can order from him with confidence.
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Why is it still banned/unavailable in the UK?
I think there are many 'video nasties' that people see as 'cult classics'. Satan only knows what these people thought when they watched the likes of I Miss You, Hugs and Kisses or Mardi Gras Massacre!However, I personally feel that years of poor availability have led to it being somewhat embellished in some online circles with a cult classic status that it doesn't really deserve. Don't get me wrong it is good, and I'll buy the eventual Code Red in a heartbeat when Bill releases it, but it's not the lost classic some trump it up to be.
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I'm not sure why it's still banned, the film itself is rather tame until the final act and felt to me like a TV movie done up with gore. I agree completely with Jack's assessment. As for its lack of availability, well I could only speculate that its rights are tied up with someone who can't be arsed selling it or releasing it.
As for I Miss You Hugs And Kisses, I regard that as one of my favourite video nasties. It has gore, nudity and a surprisingly absorbing plot with courtroom scenes an all. I'm amazed no one has released that, I much prefer it to crap like Don't Go Near The Park, The Driller Killer, Axe, Possession and The Witch Who Came From The Sea which are the only 5 nasties I don't enjoy on any level, yet all have had excellent DVD releases. Mardi Gras Massacre is fun trash, it kind of reminds me of a toned down HGL movie.
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I also like Mardi Gras Massacre.
It does indeed have a HGL feel.
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This forum really is uncanny sometimes, as I actually re watched I Miss You Hugs And Kisses earlier on this evening after coming across it in my drawer full of DVD-R's and realizing that I could recall bugger all about it. While few seem to have a good thing to say about it, I think it's actually a quietly enjoyable little film. While it definitely has a television movie feel to it, the plot involving a rich self made man on trial for the gruesome hammer murder of his grasping, manipulative wife, with the courtroom scenes segueing into flashbacks inside of flashbacks recounting the events leading up to and surrounding her death, I Miss You Hugs And Kisses is well plotted and engaging, with solid performances, Elke Sommer's nipples and some startlingly nasty moments of cranium splintering gore. While I wouldn't personally consider it one of my favorite Video Nasties, its a modestly engaging, nicely structured whodunit, which kills 83 minutes pleasantly enough, and tends to get short shrift purely for being a Video Nasty which is essentially a courtroom drama with exploitative overtures, rather than an out and out horror film.
I think when it comes to films like I Miss You Hugs And Kisses and many of the other perceived "lesser" films on the Video Nasties list, their Nasty status is something of a poisoned chalice. While being on the list has undoubtedly bought them to the attention of many horror aficionado's who would otherwise have passed them by. At the same time many of those fans tend to dismiss them as rubbish, purely because they don't, in terms of their content, really live up to the "nasty" tag. Approached purely on their own terms I think a lot of the less revered Nasties such as Pranks, I Miss You Hugs And Kisses, Mardi Gras Massacre, Blood Rites, Don't Go In The Woods, Forest Of Fear, Human Experiments, Unhinged and Revenge Of The Bogey Man are decent minor genre films, or at the very least, entertaining crap. The people who compiled that list were hardly aficionado's of exploitation cinema at the end of the day, so people watching some of the lesser known films on the list would probably do well to adjust their expectations accordingly.
Cloud, as you know from our many epic conversations, I like all five of those films you mentioned to some degree. Each to their own and all that...
As for why Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker remains banned in the UK? DrTerror I think it's purely a case of it remaining "banned" purely because no one has been able, or been bothered to acquire the rights and give it a UK release. At any rate, there is nothing in terms of its content that would trouble the BBFC these days.
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Maybe I'll have to 'update' myself on some of those 'video nasties'. The trouble is, when you've seen as much horror as many of the people on this forum, the mind tends to get skewed a bit. As you said, you rewatched I Miss You, Hugs And Kisses and you recalled nothing about it. I have to argue with you over Revenge Of The Bogey Man, though, as it's awful. It's just rehashed footage with a few more death scenes added to the main 'story'; I will say that the death by electric toothbrush is a classic, though, and, for me, is the 'highlight' of the film.
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Butcher Baker Nightmare Maker would sail through the BBFC with no problem now. In fact as Jack says, those titles which appeared on the original nasties list are no longer banned - all that needs to happen is for a company to license and submit them for a BBFC certificate.
I suggested to Bill that he tracked down I Miss You, Hugs and Kisses quite some time ago, I hope he manages to secure it.
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Well, I'll definitely be getting Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker when it comes out. I had a look around and it sounds like the sort of film I'd buy. Couldn't give a toss if it looks like a TVM.
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I love Revenge Of The Bogey Man, OK it rehashes a lot of footage from the original movie, but the freshly shot stuff was pretty good fun without ever hitting the heights of the first movie. If you want something that it is completely useless then try Return Of The Boogeyman, I really struggled through that one! Also the Boogeyman II Redux release which was ridiculously crap.
Jack, I know you're always bigging up the boring Witch Who Came From The Sea, but I didn't know you liked Axe and Don't Go Near The Park?
"The trouble is, when you've seen as much horror as many of the people on this forum, the mind tends to get skewed a bit."
You can say that again.
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More overstock added to the CR storefront!
http://codereddvd.bigcartel.com/products
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I wouldn't say I am always bigging up The Witch Who Came From The Sea. It certainly has an offbeat, melancholy air to it which I find quite intoxicating, and I think Millie Perkins is excellent in her leading role. I can still see why some find it a bit slow and uneventful though. Definitely not a film for everyone. and not one I would revisit over and over, but I do like it.
Revenge Of The Bogey Man isn't a "good" film by any extent of the imagination, but it is certainly one I would readily consider entertaining crap, with enough off the wall elements to make it worthwhile. The amount of recycled footage from Lommell's original film really is shameless, but once you get into the newly shot footage with the unseen, supernatural killer snuffing out the pretentious Hollywood types who have latched onto Suzanna Love's character, it finds its feet. The kills are creative and amusing, whilst there's laugh's to be had at some of the snide Hollywood "insider" dialogue. It's a fitfully entertaining blend of shameless rehashing, offbeat supernatural slasher shenanigans and blunt film industry satire. While I doubt it was conceived as anything other than a lazy cash in, it works for me.
Is Return Of The Bogey Man really that bad? It's one of those films that I keep meaning to pick up on DVD, but something else always take precedence.
Inspired by the discussion in this thread I revisited Mardi Gras Massacre earlier this evening, and that is another one that earns itself a fond place in my Entertaining Crap category. The basic plot of well dressed, well spoken nut job sacrificing a succession of loose women to an ancient deity obviously borrows heavily from Blood Feast, and the ritualistic killings certainly do have a Herschell Gordon Lewis feel to it, with their gloating emphasis on gory organ extraction. While the plot does a grow a bit repetitive at over 90 minutes in length, it moves at a lively pace, the New Orleans setting, abundance of sleazy nudity, simultaneously cringe inducing yet toe-tappingly catchy funky jazz score, and the hilarious characterisation (the twitchy, theatrical killer, the two stereotypical tough guy detectives, Catfish the jive-talking pimp) make this an endearingly cheesy hoot. Code Red's DVD presentation is of a very good quality too it must be said, drastically better than the VHS rip I used to have on DVD-R.
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Possession is an ace film, Cloud!
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Possession is another film which has a defiantly offbeat ambiance to it, which I find really absorbing. I think Isabelle Adjani and Sam Neill are tremendous as the warring couple, whose broken marriage forms the nucleus of the story, the dilapidated, perpetually gloomy Berlin locations really add to the films atmosphere, and while the plot with the spawning of the monster makes little actual sense, I never found myself anything less than involved, and both the erotic undertones to the story and Adjani's miscarriage scene are dark and unsettling. Even at two hours in length, for me it never once outstayed its welcome. Once again though, as with The Witch Who Came The Sea, I can understand that it's not a film for all tastes.
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Yep, Return Of The Boogeyman really is that bad. It was very amateurish and the new footage was a complete waste of time.
I can cope with Jodorowsky and some Coffin Joe (not all), but in general these often incoherent and artsy horror movies bore the living crap out of me. The Witch Who Came From The Sea and Possession are examples, and a more recent example of that artsy kind of horror was Antichrist as I mentioned to you the other day. Films like that just frustrate me in general. Pretentious, boring and completely redundant imo.
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Indeed. One of a kind seems an inadequate way to describe it. i admit it's a "marmite" film. Mate was screaming "put it off!!" after 20 minutes. So I puts on Antichrist funnily enough, lo & behold... this he enjoyed. People are strange etc.
Then again i did start crying when a mate played me the new ANOEStreet. Takes all sorts really...
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Does anyone know when we can expect Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker?
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