TV: Dr. Who

[drterror666]

Kingdom of the Spiders- Jon Pertwee turns into Tom Baker at the end of this one.

He does? F**k, I never knew that! :rolleyes:

[Dracucarr]

Peter Cushing was too much of a bumbler in the first one, but is far better in 2150 A.D. He was not as irritating because he was more focused and not as erratic with this much darker material. Unfortunately his poor health limited his screentime quite a bit. Andrew Keir though, as with Blood From The Mummy's Tomb, proved that he was a very decent substitute.

Oh, I always enjoyed the doc and Susan's opening scene in the first one

[dr death]

He does? F**k, I never knew that! :rolleyes:

You have me worried about my facts now- you know more about Dr Who than me- Perhaps I am wrong!

I am sure this was Pertwee's last series.

[Grant]

Kingdom of the Spiders was a movie, I think you mean Planet of the Spiders Doctor!

[dr death]

Yes, I do Grant. I am a tw*at- still we all make mistakes said the Dalek climbing off the dustbin!
Kingdom of the Spiders was that bloody film with William Shatner wasn't it?
Cheers though! :)

[WilsonBros]

Unfortunately his poor health limited his screentime quite a bit.

I didn't know that Peter Cushing had health problems during Daleks Invasion Earth 2150 AD. You learn something new every day...

Kev W

[orgasmo]

with no doctor who to slag off................er I mean watch this week thought you all might want to watch this just found on u tube.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJOCYkhExM&mode=related&search=
YouTube - Doctor Who: Dimensions in Time Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n0Wj8R2oYI&mode=related&search=
YouTube - Doctor Who: Dimensions in Time Part 2

enjoy.:)

[Dracucarr]

I didn't know that Peter Cushing had health problems during Daleks Invasion Earth 2150 AD. You learn something new every day...

Kev W

Yeah I remember first reading about it in the Bryce Amicus book. Just for you and all those interested here is a more in-depth look at thoughts on the Cushing films with discussion about his illness three quarters down the page:

http://www.petercushing.co.uk/historydrwho.htm

[dr death]

Cheers Drac- most interesting. Slightly off topic- it says that Patrick Troughton had scenes cut from Curse of Frankenstein- was his the hands and voice in the Charnel House where Cushing gets his eye balls from?

A Hammer Dr Who- that would have been really interesting?

[drterror666]

I now know why the next episode is called 42. It's played out in real time, hence 42 minutes. Michelle Collins is in it all sweaty and greasy and luverly and, er...

Anyway, it sounds like a combination of Alien and Event Horizon to me.

[christats]

Its got to be better than last week's.
All singing and dancing and one of the Cybermen looked like Sue Pollard/Timmy Mallett.
Seemed to go on for ages.

"Rumours" I have heard this week.Kylie Minogue and Woody Allen for the Christmas special.:confused: ?

A new adversary called Jack Scarecrow soon,according to the Sun rag.
Been pinching from Tom Baker's Scratchman idea,has R.T.D.?

[orgasmo]

this made me smile.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adk1ujjmguo
YouTube - Doctorin' the Tardis - Doctor Who Music Video (Timelords)

[Mojo]

Its got to be better than last week's.
All singing and dancing and one of the Cybermen looked like Sue Pollard/Timmy Mallett.
Seemed to go on for ages.

I agree. The writing in this was atrocious. Using an all too real airline crew was a blatant steal from the classic 'Time Flight'. Terry Wogan was surprisingly good though.

[christats]

Talking of Time flight,its still happening even though Tegan Tales is no more.

According to the BBC shop more pre-orders in 2007 are available for Timelash moved from 9/7 to 23/7.Oh the agony of the extra wait.
Then there is Time Warrior 3/9
Key to time box set 24/9,which probably because I bought the R1 set will have nice extras? £69.99:eek: shop around time.
Time Flight/Arc of Infinity 6/8.

[drterror666]

"Rumours" I have heard this week.Kylie Minogue and Woody Allen for the Christmas special.:confused: ?

Two words - April Fool!

[christats]

Well,May fool.Probably fanboys getting Woody Allen's next film role mixed up.

At least the release dates for the classic series are more believable as they are there to see on the BBC shop site.

[orgasmo]

the key to time box set-thats the highlight of the year for me.:)
no sigh of the damons though.:confused: adult who at its best.

[christats]

The Key to time box set would have been the highlight of the year for me if I hadn't bought the bare bones R0 US set a couple of years ago.
I will be interested to see if and what the extras are.?
Its R.R.P is alot more than the R1/O.I got it for 40 odd quid.The R2 is £69.99.Probably nearer £50 with a shoparound.
Am I the only person to prefer Romana 1 to Romana 2.Although Romana 2 was involved in more important storylines.
A patchy set but as a whole nice to have a complete season in 1 release.

[WilsonBros]

The Key To Time season was VERY uneven - with every good one like The Androids of Tara, there are crap ones like The Power of Kroll.

After spending an entire season bringing together the Key To Time, the thing itself looked pretty silly...

I recently came across some fan-produced DVD covers for The Key To Time stories - they are absolutely stunning. Hopefully the Beeb will contact the person responsible and get them to use them for the official R2 releases.

Kev W

[christats]

Doctor Who has been critisised for the 45 minute episodes consisting of half the running time doing just that.
Running about down corridors.
Last night it bettered that.Seemed like 40 minutes of running and 5 minutes of a shiny faced person with a Barry White voice.
Michelle Collins,who I think is a useless actress by the way,had an ending just like Ripley in Alien 3.Jumping into a sun or a furnace in the films case.
Rubbish.

[Johnny_Alucard]

The series definitely hit a low point with this episode (and that's some achievement)...nothing wrong with trying to do an episode in almost real time, as '24' does (and funnily enough 42 is a mirror image of 24! Coincidence, or merely the show's running time minus credits, who knows?) but as it's Dr Who, any potential for genuine suspense was lost by the certainty that he'd win the day, especially due to there being a few more episodes to go this series. This might have worked as a final season episode with a cliffhanger, but in this format it stumbled badly - the other problem was that there were quite a lot of plot elements here and they were treated in the most perfunctory manner because of the time constraints imposed by the story itself. And anyway, 'Alien' steals aside, if you had 42 minutes to live would you trust your existance to a total stranger? And as for giving Martha her own Tardis key at the end, this was cringe making stuff...it was supposed to be a sign of her acceptance by the Doc, but for me that didn't work either...I find the imposition of a romantic element in the show slightly creepy...maybe it's due to being exposed to the Time Lord's past selves, especially as the show started with a grandfather-grand daughter companion based relationship - and given that the Time Lord race is all but extinct, whose to say that there won't be an attempt to extend the Gallifreyan bloodline beyond himself and the Master...? Given the direction this show has taken, it could happen...

[drterror666]

Well, not surprisingly, I thought it was one of the best episodes of the season so far! I never expected it to be that frenetic. The ending was a little saccharin, but I thought the main story was OK. I can imagine lots of small children with eyes peeping out from behind the sofa.

Michelle Collins was a bit naff as the captain, though.

[Grant]

I've always thought Michelle Collins a talentless bint anyway.

[christats]

Thats 2 in agreement with Michelle Collins.Just dosn't come across at all convincing.Always looks like she dosn't want to be around and is the same person in everything.
I called her useless a couple of posts ago.Thought I may have been a bit harsh.Obviously its not just me.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Make that three...I think even Beryl Reid's turn as the Captain of the cargo ship in 'Earthshock' was more convincing than Michelle Collins' bland performance here...next week's is a two parter and a first in that it's an adaptation of one of the Dr Who 'New Adventures' books...will it be an improvement, that is the question...?

[Mojo]

Another one to add to the Michelle Collins debate - she was naff.

I agree with dr terror on this one though - I really enjoyed it. Perhaps the fact that it was played in 'real time' made all the frenetic running around a bit more 'realistic'?

Also enjoyed David Tennent's performance - benefitting from not having RTD's slapstick 'comedy' routines shoved in your face every five minutes.

As for the Doctor / assistant set up, the Pertwee / Jo Grant relationship was miles better.

[WillHay]

I only watched 20 minutes of it - excrement. Utter, utter, excrement. That's me finished with Dr Who now. I can't believe that this is made by an organisation that once had people like Nigel Kneale writing scripts for it. Now it's reduced to terrible telephone calls from the future to sort out the plot.

Terrible.

[Grant]

Its the two parter based on Human Nature next week lads. Scarecrows ahoy!

[WilsonBros]

I think even Beryl Reid's turn as the Captain of the cargo ship in 'Earthshock' was more convincing than Michelle Collins' bland performance here...

Come on, Johnny (as Caroline Munro once said!), Collins wasn't THAT bad!

As much as I love Earthshock, the shock from the title surely stems from the ridiculous casting of Reid as the captain of a star freighter. Reid slurred her words so badly that you'd have thought that the second officer would have relieved her from duty for being drunk on duty!

As for 42 - well, it was the best episode of the series so far, but that's damning something with faint praise.

Kev W

[Grant]

Damn ahead Kev and don't spare the torpedoes! Dive! Dive! Dive! :D

42 was a little too similar to the impossible planet for me. Well directed by Harper though with some good scenes. I'm hoping from next weeks the plot is building to the season finale. Lets have some Master a go go with John Simm I hope.

POSS SPOILERIFIC
re Utopia

Wossy showed the scene where the doc lands near Torchwood then legs it back in when he sees capn jack. The old capn hugs on to the TARDIS as it dissapears.....

[christats]

I would rather watch a drunk Beryl Reid than an actress with as much emotion and delivery as an auton.

I caught the begining of the Chelsea flower show tonight.
What this gotta do with Dr Who.
Well there was a feature on a Cardiff council garden,of the 20 themed ones there.
A Tardis in the middle and a 2007 garden on 1 side and a 1963 one on the other.In tribute to the start of the program.
Who was waltzing about in the Tardis doing a potted history of Cardiff gardening.
None other than Lawrence LLewelin Bowen.If I had a few and his voice was deeper and less foppish,it could have been Tom Baker back again.
Well maybe not.They also showed brief clips of Planet of Evil and Seeds of Doom.

Just been watching Unearthly Child.Its not bad.After Saturday anyway.

[WilsonBros]

Just been watching Unearthly Child. Its not bad.

The first episode of An Unearthly Child is arguably the most wonderful single episode of Doctor Who produced. Shame the other three episodes are so pedestrian, with RADA-trained cavemen...

Kev W

[dr death]

The first episode of An Unearthly Child is arguably the most wonderful single episode of Doctor Who produced. Shame the other three episodes are so pederstian, with RADA-trained cavemen...

Kev W


Patrick Allen always articulated his grunting rather well in When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth, I felt. A very upper class caveman! ;)

[christats]

I thought they were real cavemen and women.
Just read in the Sun Rag that Freema Ageyman is to be axed at the end of this series.
I hope they show it in graphic detail.I won't be able to hold back the tears.
There are still suspicions that cool dude Dave might be going a few episodes into new series 4 as well.

[WilsonBros]

At last!

The first truly great episode this series! It was a LONG time coming, but it was worth the wait.

The performances were rich and multi-layered; the period detail was wonderful and the script was based upon one of the most highly regarded New Adventures novels.

One can only hope that this will start a trend...

Kev W

[Grant]

Got to agree Kev that was excellent stuff.

[Mojo]

This was a mile above anything ( good or bad ) in the series so far. Along with the jumps and creepy elements, it told a story. Like 'old' Dr Who in fact - with a really traditional Dr Who cliffhanger.

Excellent.

[christats]

Got to be boring and agree.
After the banal last episode.
It does help to have a main character played by someone who can act.There wasn't anything about this episode I disliked.
It could be picked on by having derivative bits,(what hasn't.)
When a story is good bits can be overlooked.
The last 7 episodes were the build up to the proper start,maybe.

[drterror666]

Just read in the Sun Rag that Freema Ageyman is to be axed at the end of this series.

That's probably bollox!

I thought last night's episode was the best yet, although my favourite is still Dalek. You can tell it's been adapted from one of the New Adventures. Great stuff!

[christats]

Maybe I won't mention the Sun Rag on these pages again.

http://freemaagyeman.com/news/2007/05/26/shame-on-the-sun/
just to address the balance.
Outpost Gallifrey who missinformed about Tegan tales,and where that link is from also put up some more info.

Namely about a near future release of The Sea Devils on DVD,and a Sea Devils costume,(only complete one.?)going on sale at Bonhams next month.
S*d that lottery thread,if I won the lottery that would be mine.

[DJM]

Probably the best episode of the 3rd series, but that is not saying much. Still pretty dull and because it is a 2-part episode it felt stretched out to fit 45-minutes (i.e. the story is not strong enough for 90-minutes). Lacking any real action again (the Scarecrows could have been used much better) but a least they did feel the need to throw-in the average CGI effects they have used in the past.

[christats]

I didn't find it dull.
I didn't have an adrenalin rush either,but it beat all the crash wallop and corridor running shenanigans that has frequently infested the program since Ecclestone episode 1
When I saw a brief plotline for the episodes before series 3 started I thought it sounded soppy and awful.Probably the one I would like the least.
A bit soppy,but very watchable.Couple of upper class schoolboy twit racist remarks in there,unless my ears deceived me as well.(Someone been taking lessions from Life on Mars.)

[SicCoyote]

I haven't watched any of this series think I missed the first then couldn't be bothered with the rest.

Been watching Hartnell.

Warning: 'Galaxy 4' is not worth sitting through a 100 min reconstruction for.

Next Stop Reconstructions of:
Mission to the Unknown
Myth Makers
Dalek Masterplan
& The Massacre

Then I'm over one hurdle of 3.

[Grant]

Do you mean like the animated reconstruction of the invasion Sic? Is that no good then?

[orgasmo]

where can we see these reconstructions.:confused: sounds intresting.:)

[WilsonBros]

Next Stop Reconstructions of:
Mission to the Unknown
Myth Makers
Dalek Masterplan
& The Massacre

I've watched the LC Recon of The Dalek Masterplan. It's an entertaining (if VERY long) romp. It's rattles along at a fair old clip, considering it's a mammoth 12 parter. Everything grinds to a halt when it comes to the Feast of Steven Christmas episode. Hartnell actually breaks the fourth wall by wishing the viewers a merry Christmas!

I recently watched the LC Recon of The Macra Terror - great stuff! :)

Kev W

[Mark Y]

where can we see these reconstructions.:confused: sounds intresting.:)

Here:

http://www.recons.com/

[orgasmo]

thank you.:)
here is the first episode of the infinate quest(animated doctor who) which apparently has been shown on childrens bbc during the weeks of the doctors new series Im sure the other eps must be on u tube somewhere.;)
worth a look.:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRf2xCAI-4&mode=related&search=

and heres sarah jane smith going up against frank spencer-yes really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX6ChW08YlQ
YouTube - Clip from Some mothers do ave em, with Elisabeth Sladen

[christats]

With buying the optimum Cushing films today,I am only lacking 3 DVD releases.
(Yes I even have the McCoy ones now and I don't hate them.Probably 3 of his better stories.)

The 3 I haven't bothered with and not seen either are;

Lost in Time,The Web Planet and the McGann movie.

Off opinions I have read, Lost in time is too incomplete to be bothered with.
The Web Planet is terminally dull,and McGann was decent but the movie wasn't.
Am I missing anything not buying these.?
(Can't wait for Robot on Monday.:) )

Edit.....the 3 new series are a seperate entity and I won't buy any of these unless I see a complete box set for a fiver.

[WillHay]

Lost In time is essential if you've read the books and want to see what little snippets exist of these stories - I enjoyed the episodes, but it's frustrating that the BBC has lost so much of Patrick Troughton, who was a superb doctor and a great actor.

I haven't bothered with McCoy DVDs - I had most of them on DivX, and can't stand watching them. They're truly dreadful.

Last week's episode of Who was really good - actually looking forward to tonight's. Someone should sit down the other scriptwriters and show them that a story doesn't consist of a series of set pieces linked by people running about or dumb gags.

[Johnny_Alucard]

What to make of 'Family of Blood' - this and it's predecessor were content wise and stylistically, unlike any of the other stories yet produced since the re-imagining of the good Doctor...probably due to its novel based origins. Despite a pretty thin plot, some interesting psychological ideas and moral dilemmas were presented and it gave Mr Tennant the chance to show that he actually has some range as an actor. When he finally recognised his moral obligation to return to his Time Lord self and reject the promise of an earthly romantic relationship, this was actually quite powerful stuff, with none of RTD's beating the viewer into submission (the scene with John Smith looking at his life as it would have been reminded me of the dream scenes towards the end of Scorsese's 'Last Temptation of Christ' and perhaps that was the intention as the Doc is the literal saviour of mankind), and I think Paul Cornell has got to be the main candidate for head writer when the lamentable RTD finally jumps ship, he writes decent dialogue and fairly strong and complex characters...certainly closer to classic 'Who' than anything else yet attempted, but it ultimately left me yearning for episodes from the golden Hinchcliffe-Holmes years...still, not bad though!

[orgasmo]

very dark stuff in this episode.gave us a glimpse of what this series is capable of when russell t davies has next to nothing to do with it.
I agree that paul cornell should be russell t davies replacement,(hell why wait,kick him out now),;) .
the doctors revenge was very dark,kids tv .:eek: I don,t think so.;)
next weeks could well be more of the same.we hope.;)

[Grant]

Best story this series so far. Really enjoyed this, can't believe it was actually originally written with the McCoy incarnation. The Doctor's revenge was great indeed. I hope for more dark stories like this.

[Mojo]

Yep - this really was excellent. A wonderfully woven, multi - layered story, with terrific performances all round.

Paul Cornell's story and script were head and shoulders above anything in the series so far. The shooting of the scarecrows was a wonderfully poignant moment. A classic Dr Who scene in a classic Dr Who story.

Absolutely brilliant.

[WillHay]

I absolutely loved episode 1, but hated episode 2. The way the doctor beat the baddies was absolutely terrible - an awful piece of writing, and the dialogue was so cheesy the TV stank of cheddar. There was virtually no drama, the music drowned out dialogue, and the stupid way the "watch" was used by the kid all the time just got pathetic.

What's worst - it made absolutely no sense whatsoever, and if you look into it, the writer must be a christian - as the story is the biblical story [Which itself doesn't make sense] with the "John Smith" character as Jesus, the Doctor as "God", and the baddies as the Romans who force the John Smith character to sacrifice himself and his future life... to save us all. Bleurgh. The doctor sends himself down in "human" form to save us all.

EXCEPT...

There would be no "future" John Smith, as the baddies were on their way to destroying the planet and would either blow up John Smith and get the watch or blow up the planet.

So it just doesn't add up.

If you're going to create a "world" in a story, then it helps if you follow the rules of that world. Covering up plot holes with soap opera doesn't cut it with me. Very disappointed with this episode - a rambling mess more interested in making blatant points about sacrifice and WWI than actually paying attention to the plot and story.

I also found part 2 quite boring, and as usual with New Who, it dispenses with ideas to try to make blatant points. A good writer would be able to get the point across without this sort of ham fisted exposition.

You've been hoodwinked and tricked by the soap opera tactics and sentimental WWI crap at the end - this was a hack job just like the rest, it just did a better job of covering it's sewerage trail.

[James Lee]

With buying the optimum Cushing films today,I am only lacking 3 DVD releases.
(Yes I even have the McCoy ones now and I don't hate them.Probably 3 of his better stories.)

The 3 I haven't bothered with and not seen either are;

Lost in Time,The Web Planet and the McGann movie.

Off opinions I have read, Lost in time is too incomplete to be bothered with.
The Web Planet is terminally dull,and McGann was decent but the movie wasn't.
Am I missing anything not buying these.?
(Can't wait for Robot on Monday.:) )

Edit.....the 3 new series are a seperate entity and I won't buy any of these unless I see a complete box set for a fiver.

I quite like The Web Planet - how could I resist seeing Martin Jarvis dressed as a giant butterfly? It really needs to be seen at the rate of an episode every few days, the Optera are terrible and the first episode is sluggish - not to mention William Hartnell forgetting his lines. But it's worth it

[christats]

Unfortunatley as with all 2 parters it seems,the 2nd one was weaker and tailed off abit.
As a whole probably one of the best stories since it came back.
I have given up looking at the logical side of a storyline,a lot of the old ones were daft.
The sentementality did grate abit,and the plot went the way I expected.
It probably seemed better as there were no weak actors in this,which cannot be said for the previous 7 episodes.With it being based on a book,less bollox from R.T.Davies as well.?

[drterror666]

I absolutely loved episode 1, but hated episode 2.

Er, WillHay, didn't you say a few posts back that you'd given up on Doctor Who and weren't going to watch another episode? Hmm...

Well, the two-parter wasn't perfect, but it beat anything RTD can shove at us. I was a bit bit confused by the ending. Didn't the Doctor say that the Family had only three months of life left? And yet, he disposed of them all at the end and the Bains character commented on how they had achieved immortality and this was what they had to look forward to. Did I miss something?

The psychic kid was a bit of a plot device, as well. I thought he was going to turn out as something else.

Still, it was a good yarn, but not an amazing one. I still think Dalek from season one is the best episode yet.

[Grant]

The family all got imprisoned in places where they wouldn't age i.e. the pit, the mirror, etc. so they'd be trapped there for all eternity. I notice the doctor left his notebook too. Whats the betting that'll turn up before the season finale?

[drterror666]

I notice the doctor left his notebook too. Whats the betting that'll turn up before the season finale?

Yes, I mentioned that to my partner. I bet the Master's got it.

[WilsonBros]

Didn't the Doctor say that the Family had only three months of life left?

All incarnations of the Doctor have been loathe to destroy the last of a race, even if they are evil, so that actions taken at the end of the story keep them alive, albeit in a rather sadistic manner.

Human Nature & The Family Of Blood together form what is almost certainly the best story in all three series of New Who. For the most part, series three has been a considerable let-down, this story truly is the gem amongst the mud.

It would be nice if there are more stories as good as this.

Kev W

[drterror666]

I wouldn't hold your breath!

Maybe they'll get a new person in for Season 5 and then we can start getting somewhere. I can't believe ReTarD is hanging on for another season!

[christats]

I saw on Dr Who confidential this week a bit at the end were in the next episode of this review show David Tennant asks whats its like to be a fan etc.
Sees the building Jon Pertwee turns into Tom Baker.
Might be more interesting than seeing mugshots of R.T.Davies gushing and actors suspended on harnesses.
Then again it might not.

I watched the Human/Blood again the other night and I find it the only story remotely like the old series.

I know alot like "Dalek" and the "Girl in The Fire Place" and the one with the gas masks,but the surrounding characters,i.e the American funded research base in "Dalek" and the like really pee me off.

"Dalek" done in the style of Alan Bennet's Talking heads,there's a thought.

I have been on the sauce tonight and just been watching "Robot" and all the extra's,
anyway good story or not,it beats new Dr Who by a mile.
Sometimes less is more.
Apart from the bl**dy tank scene.

[drterror666]

I have been on the sauce tonight

No kidding?! ;) :D

[tobiaswragg]

My film collection would turn anyone into an alky!

[WilsonBros]

It's really no surprise that the original novel that Human Nature was based upon was written for the Sylvester McCoy incarnation of The Doctor, as there was the grand plan to make his Doctor much darker than previous incarnations.

There were glimpses of it in the last handful of McCoy's stories, by that time, he had finally started to play the character as the darker, more mercurial Doctor he had wanted from the start, but he couldn't do that to start with, as he was hired to be a more light-hearted "fun" Doctor. McCoy eventually gave up juggling and mixing his metaphores and become vaguely sinister - making Ace confront her past by taking her back in time to see the building she burnt down as a kid, etc. McCoy's wardrobe even changed to reflect the darker aspects of his character. In fact, a line that was filmed for Remembrance of the Daleks, but not included in the final cut, had McCoy saying that he was "not just ANY Timelord", which was in keeping with the master-plan that script editor Andrew Cartmell had for the show.

With New-Who in general, I have a love-hate relationship with it - there are some stories that are absolutely wonderful, and border on "masterpiece"; these include The Unquiet Dead, Dalek, Father's Day, The Empty Child & The Doctor Dances, The Girl In The Fireplace and Human Nature & The Family Of Blood. I am very much aware that for every excellent story, there are a couple of mediocre ones and at least one duffer.

I know the chances of New-Who coming up with something equally as wonderful as the recent two-parter are slim, but I live in hope...

Kev W

[drterror666]

Only if ReTarD leaves! I'm surprised the Human Nature two-parter was even made!

[WilsonBros]

Davies was apparently foaming at the zip to get Human Nature dramatised.

Kev W

[orgasmo]

somehow I don,t think russell t davies will be looking to this spike milligan sketch for inspiration.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxNJEBr_l0
YouTube - Spike Milligan Daleks

[Johnny_Alucard]

somehow I don,t think russell t davies will be looking to this spike milligan sketch for inspiration.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxNJEBr_l0
YouTube - Spike Milligan Daleks

Not clicked on the link, but am assuming that you're referring to the (in)famous 'indian dalek' sketch which ends with a cat being blasted to be put in a curry - not Milligan's finest, I have to say and am surprised that Terry Nation didn't veto the material prior to broadcast, as during his life he was protective of the daleks and determined not to have them used as figures of fun, and the racist element leaves a pretty nasty taste...I assume everyone will be sharpening their critical knives after tonight's episode...consider these quotes from 'The Times' TV guide - "Fans are in for a real treat tonight: BLINK is the finest episode of the all new Dr Who...fiendishly clever plotting that makes your brain feel as if it has been joyriding in the TARDIS..." A case of we'll believe it when we see it, I think...

[Grant]

I'll put down ten big ones that Will Hay won't like it. :D

[christats]

Well I will be the first to stick me neck out.Blink was fine.
It was this year's love and monsters.
The big difference was that it was creepy,had no particular sexual inuendo,and no Bolton comedian who gets tetchy when people don't love him.
Told from the viewpoint of a foxy young blond called something Sparrow.
With Dave and Freema on a DVD extra.
If this series of Dr Who had started with Human Nature,the kids might not have liked,but I would.
As I suspected Dr Who Confidential was worth a watch for once as well.So I did.

[Johnny_Alucard]

***THIS CONTAINS SPOILERS'***Blink' was entertaining stuff and at least it had pace and deserved points for trying to be a different kind of 'Who' episode. In a way, this reminded me more of a 'Sapphire and Steel' story, than a 'Doctor Who' one, where in those, time itself was the villain and in this tale, time was represented as an evil force by the 'weeping angels' (who let's face it were just a clumsy reversal of the Gorgons from Greek myth). The notion of the viewer (or in the case of fiction, the reader) being presented with various time anomalies and then being given an explaination of sorts at the end is nothing new, and in recent times films like 'Donnie Darko' have done it in a far more complex and satisfying way. Steven Moffat presented some fun and interesting ideas here, though, at break neck speed (to presumably stop viewers from thinking about the skewed plot logic too much), a shame he had to cheat a little at the last minute, and offer a rather simplistic (and I think rather silly) answer to some intriguing ideas, when it turned out that everything that had happened to Sally and the evidence she'd collected about it became the catalyst for the origins of the story, after it had already happened! This was explained briefly on one of Sally's DVDs, when the Doctor said that time was 'wibbly wobbly' and not just about cause and effect - clearly a bit of sleight of hand...a more seasoned SF writer would have come up with a more satisfying explanation. At the end of the day though, this will have pleased casual SF viewers, no end, and despite an air of being very pleased with itself, it wasn't bad for an early evening watch and it will have many a student arguing the toss about its merits in the pub tonight...

[orgasmo]

I was surprised by how good this was.
I suspect russell t davies had next to nothing to do with this episode either.
anyone else starting to notice a pattern forming here.;)
I watched confidental also.that was good fun to.
sadly next weeks ep looks like its back to the no plot,just crash bang wallop of doctor who film makeing.ah well it was good while it lasted seeing adult doctor who for at least a little while.:cool:

[Mojo]

Loved it!
Nice to see the concept of time used in such an unusual way. One of the best and most original Dr Who monsters ever, for me. Very creepy ( with some genuine 'jumps' ). Excellent!

[WillHay]

Well I will be the first to stick me neck out.Blink was fine.
It was this year's love and monsters.
The big difference was that it was creepy,had no particular sexual inuendo,and no Bolton comedian who gets tetchy when people don't love him.
Told from the viewpoint of a foxy young blond called something Sparrow.
With Dave and Freema on a DVD extra.
If this series of Dr Who had started with Human Nature,the kids might not have liked,but I would.
As I suspected Dr Who Confidential was worth a watch for once as well.So I did.


Yup, it was brilliant - well written with a good plot, excellent characterisation and without the horrible monologues and pointless for-the-sake-of-it action that other episodes have had. Also quite creepy. No treacly sentimentality either.

Made me realise that I don't really like the Doctor and Martha characters much. Preferred the show without them.

[WillHay]

I was surprised by how good this was.
I suspect russell t davies had next to nothing to do with this episode either.
anyone else starting to notice a pattern forming here.;)



I've been saying this since the 1st season - RTD can't write for toffee. You only have to look at an episode like Blink just to see how bad RTD's stuff is - he can't plot, and just links nicked ideas with action sequences.

[WillHay]

I'll put down ten big ones that Will Hay won't like it. :D

You lose. Moffat's episodes have been the best in the series, and this was no exception.

[Grant]

That was ten apples by the way Will. :D Like Johnny said it did remind of Sapphire and Steel but thats not a minus at all. The little un did get a bit nervous at one bit but didn't have to hide behind the sofa fortunately.

So no one looking forward to the return of Captain Jack next week? I know my kids are...

[WillHay]

That was ten apples by the way Will. :D Like Johnny said it did remind of Sapphire and Steel but thats not a minus at all. The little un did get a bit nervous at one bit but didn't have to hide behind the sofa fortunately.

So no one looking forward to the return of Captain Jack next week? I know my kids are...

My little'un is only 5 weeks old, so she's not really into Dr Who yet...

[Grant]

Its never to early to start Will! Which incarnation you planning on introducing her to first? :)

[drterror666]

Well, I got to the bit that took place one year later, the Doctor and Martha drove up in a car, that Sparrow woman went out to call him and then my sodding Freeview signal broke up! It came back just in time for me to see that Captain Jack is back next week! YES!

I take it she told the Doctor what was going on so he could then write that stuff on the wall, etc., etc.?

Oh, and it was a good one!

[WillHay]

Its never to early to start Will! Which incarnation you planning on introducing her to first? :)


Tom Baker/Davison - the two I grew up with. (I vaguely remember late Pertwee, but they're very vague memories, and a lot of early Baker is vague.)

[Neil B]

Well, I got to the bit that took place one year later, the Doctor and Martha drove up in a car, that Sparrow woman went out to call him and then my sodding Freeview signal broke up! It came back just in time for me to see that Captain Jack is back next week! YES!

I take it she told the Doctor what was going on so he could then write that stuff on the wall, etc., etc.?

Oh, and it was a good one!

That was the gist of it yes, she gave him the transcript which allowed them to have the two way conversation through the dvd easter eggs.

[Johnny_Alucard]

I thought the ending was a bit of a cheat to fit the story and created a time anomaly in itself...since Steven Moffat's roots are in comedy he simply applied the traditional 'context reversal' to SF instead of comedy (as applied in most broadcast comedy - from the Python's 'Hell's Grannies' sketch to the 'Going out for an English' routine in Goodness Gracious Me), with 'effect' being the 'cause', instead of the other way around, as in some traditional time travel stories - reminded me a bit of the rewriting of vampire myth to fit the plotting of 'Dracula has Risen from the Grave'. I have to say I'm starting to sound as if I didn't enjoy this, and old habits are clearly hard to shake off, but it was very entertaining and pleasingly convoluted until the flawed and predictable coda in the last 5 minutes...am looking forward to Moffat's 'Jekyll' series, though, which starts next Saturday, which promises to juggle thrills, suspense, satire, horror and comedy...if he can pull that off, it may well be a case of move over RTD...

[WilsonBros]

Another very enjoyable episode of Doctor Who.

Steven Moffat's name on something is generally a sign that you are going to be getting and intelligent and entertaining yarn.

Though it started off a little shaky by having the hand-delivered letter (you almost expected it to have been sent by Dr Emmett L Brown...), but it became more engrossing as the story progressed to the point where it became gripping and even a jaded old fart like me was seriously drawn into it, in a way that rarely happens to me.

The first half of series three was a considerable disappointment - who'd have thought that such wonderful stories awaited the viewer in the second half.

I posted on this thread last week that I was living in hope that there would be other stories to match Human Nature & The Family Of Blood - looks like my optimistic outlook wasn't totally misplaced... :)

Kev W

[SicCoyote]

So no one looking forward to the return of Captain Jack next week? I know my kids are...

DEATH to Captain Jack, Again!

[orgasmo]

the doctor decides to go sightseeing in london.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qZUpb8Pz9c
YouTube - Dead Ringers - The Doctor Goes Sightseeing

[christats]

Clips of Dr Who in the London Eye and the Doctors at Christmas,from Dead Ringers were shown on confidential last Saturday.Very funny.

So who thinks Carey Mulligan who played Sally Sparrow had a passing resemblance to Katy Manning.?
Would be a better companion than Martha.Not that I want to knock the useless present and last one.

[Mojo]

So who thinks Carey Mulligan who played Sally Sparrow had a passing resemblance to Katy Manning.?
Would be a better companion than Martha.Not that I want to knock the useless present and last one.

Spot on, christats. Any passing resemblance to Katy Manning is fine by me!

I've tried to like the Doctor / Martha set up, but I don't think it works. Steven Moffat said in an interview that he thought Carey Mulligan could be the best companion ever. I agree :)

[john]

Quite wonderful stuff last Saturday...reminded me of an old made for telly film DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU...

I think it was an Ellery Queen pilot or something...1970 or 1971 IIRC...every time there was a kill an animated hydra popped up...

:)

Speaking of old made for tv films...THE NORLISS TAPES lived up to everything I'd been expecting.

:cool:

[Grant]

Nice one Baz I've got that waiting in the pile.

[mark meakin]

Lets see the eerie TVM A Cold Nights Death get a dvd release.

[Dracucarr]

I don't know about anybody else, but for the first time I have finally enjoyed a RTD era Dr Who episode. The maaaaaaaaster has returned in the guise of time travel bloke from Life on Mars and it was excellent. Can't wait for part 2, although the clips for next week looked more like Damien Thorn's rise in politics. I hope for more excitement than the Omen 3 that's for sure.

[WillHay]

I don't know about anybody else, but for the first time I have finally enjoyed a RTD era Dr Who episode. The maaaaaaaaster has returned in the guise of time travel bloke from Life on Mars and it was excellent. Can't wait for part 2, although the clips for next week looked more like Damien Thorn's rise in politics. I hope for more excitement than the Omen 3 that's for sure.

Thought it was atrocious - pure RTD - crap plot, soap-opera dialogue, homosexual agenda, and a pantomine master! Absolute garbage.

[Dracucarr]

Normally I agree with your comments, but for once I am on a different stance. Apart from them rubbish futurekind or whatever they were called I think this was really good. Derek Jacobi is a great actor too and it will be a shame he won't appear again. As for the soap opera elements they are always and forever unfortunately while RTD remains in charge. I will knock it down a point for that. Oh, and ROSE GO AWAY!

Oh, I am waiting for Kev and Christats et al to shoot me down now as I have a feeling I perhaps shouldn't have liked this one :(. I was so pleased with myself for being entertained aswell :o

[WillHay]

Normally I agree with your comments, but for once I am on a different stance. Apart from them rubbish futurekind or whatever they were called I think this was really good. Derek Jacobi is a great actor too and it will be a shame he won't appear again. As for the soap opera elements they are always and forever unfortunately while RTD remains in charge. I will knock it down a point for that. Oh, and ROSE GO AWAY!

Oh, I am waiting for Kev and Christats et al to shoot me down now as I have a feeling I perhaps shouldn't have liked this one :(. I was so pleased with myself for being entertained aswell :o

Agree on Derek Jacobi - always good. But the rest was toe-curling. I couldn't believe how bad the script was, and the master at the end was absolutely awful - like a panto villain!

[Dracucarr]

Go on Will. Rub it in! Roger Delgado was a completely different Master wasn't he. Pretty dark character, but I suppose that while the dr goes through personality changes I suppose the same could go for the Master too. I never watched Life on Mars (I will) but I assume he was hired for popularity. I would have preferred DJ and the Dr battling it out. Very grand.

[Johnny_Alucard]

with RTD at the helm, it was a case of business as usual - i.e. tedium all the way. quite what an actor of derek jacobi's calibre was doing in this, is a mystery...and didn't I have to say those mutants or whatever they were with the painted faces and pointed teeth looked like extras from john carpenter's 'ghosts of mars'...poor all round, but not unexpected...

[WilsonBros]

Oh, I am waiting for Kev and Christats et al to shoot me down now...

Hmm, what gives you that impression, Drac? :p

Seriously, when I saw RTD's name appear on the writer's credit, my heart sank a little. However, I was pleasantly surprised by the episode - one of the first rumours that I heard through the grapevine about series three was that Derek Jacobi was going to play The Master, and that certainly turned out to be the case - I just wish that he hadn't regenerated into John Simm (who is FAR too young for the role). I also was distinctly unhappy with Simm's "yoof" dialogue, but I'm hoping that they'll tone that down.

There was some good stuff in this one - Jacobi was wonderful in the show; the relationship between The Doctor & Jack was great, also explaining several things that were annoyingly left out of an entire series of Torchwood; it's quite likely that the whole "old girlfriend" thread that has been running through this series will be resolved soon, as last night saw Martha reaching the "acceptance" stage.

It's great that this will ultimately be a three-parter - I just hope that Simm doesn't completely f*ck up The Master. If he does, I hope that the spirit of Roger Delgado (and to a lesser extent, Anthony Ainley) will haunt him for the rest of his days... ;)

Kev W

[christats]

Oh, I am waiting for Kev and Christats et al to shoot me down now as I have a feeling I perhaps shouldn't have liked this one :(. I was so pleased with myself for being entertained aswell :o

I don't shoot down,I thought it was alright.A big step backwards from Blink and the Human Nature double bill.It sort of reminded me abit of the tacky Survival(which has grown on me.) but done with cavemen from the Jim Rose circus.
Totally unnecessary characters.So when society degenerates,the people get pointy teeth tatooes and bodypiercing.
Back to running about alot and hammy acting.
It was as good as I thought it was going to be.

Going off the trailer for next week,and I said this ages ago.....I think John Simm is a great actor,but as the master maybe not suited.He can do menace but his face cannot portray the calm sly menace of Roger Delgardo.
Or Anthony Ainley when he isn't doing the pantomine routine.
In fact if the laugh of John Simm is anything to go off he's doing the pantomine villan style.
We shall see.

[drterror666]

Well, I have to admit that I actually enjoyed this. Yes, it was the usual ReTarD car crash, but I liked it all the same. I take it that watch is standard issue to all Time Lords then? Not sure about John Simm as the Master yet, but we shall see.

I take it we're going to find out what this Utopia place was?

[Mojo]

The whole ( mediocre ) episode was basically a set up for the return of The Master. On which subject, can John Simm regenerate back into Derek Jacobi? Please?

[Johnny_Alucard]

Judging by John Simm's panto performance he'll be doing Aladdin at the Bradford Empire this year...lol...did anyone notice that when the watch was opened and the Master's life essence was released, Roger Delgado's voice played on the soundtrack - a nice touch, the only one admittedly....

[Grant]

So did Rose bring back the master then? He was stuck in the eye of horus at the end of the tv movie wasn't he? When did he escape from the Tardis?

Tune in next week to find out.... :D

[WilsonBros]

On which subject, can John Simm regenerate back into Derek Jacobi? Please?

That same thought crossed my mind, too, Mojo... ;)

Kev W

[WilsonBros]

So did Rose bring back the master then? He was stuck in the eye of horus at the end of the tv movie wasn't he?

I think that most fans (and probably the New-Who production) tend to ignore that particular aspect of the Paul McGann movie (which I re-watched last night - there's some good stuff in it, but it has a LOT of problems). The Eye of Harmony was on Gallifrey, but they just put it in the TARDIS in the TV movie purely for writing convenience (or should that be contrivence?)

Kev W

[Dracucarr]

I am going to watch a repeat of Saturday's episode, but I am pleased I am not totally alone in finding enjoyment. Cheers Kev and chris for not shooting me down ;)

[WilsonBros]

No probs, Drac! :)

I don't deliberately flame people on here - occasionally my sense of humour can be misinterpreted, but I like to think that I'm a reasonably nice chappie! :)

I'm still waiting for Nick to watch Utopia - it's been a bitch trying not to mention the BIG reveal toward the end of the episode.

I am hoping that they aren't going to be portrying The Master as a sort of Tony Blair parody, though all the clips I have seen are certainly indicating that this is the case...

Kev W

[Johnny_Alucard]

'The Sound of Drums' - not as bad as expected by hardly great. RTD's reliance on lifting plot points and visual images from other sources is so annoying! The drum beat being like the theme music...yawn! A bit from the Omen sequels, alien spheres that had the lethal hardware of the Phantasm ones, but the look of those from Gerry Anderson's 'Terrahawks'. And didn't the airstrip in the sky look suspiciously like 'Cloudbase'? Where is Captain Scarlett when you need him, eh? LOL Did like the way that certain plot lines from previous strories had relevance here - the Lazarus device being created to disable the doctor by aging him for instance...and any kids' show that ends with the potential annihilation of human kind has got to be the stuff of kids' nightmares, so fair play there...

[WilsonBros]

Y'know, I REALLY wanted to like this episode.

I was prepared to put aside the initial reservations I had about John Simm as The Master. I was hoping that the reliance on modern day "yoof" speak was down to the initial exuberance that typically follows a regeneration.

Most of the story wasn't bad (interesting to see Barrowman's name above the title...), but it was in the last ten minutes that I saw the potential being pissed away, and the power of The Master being diluted with the urine that was Russell T Davies' dialogue. OK, so most people hated Eric Roberts' stab at The Master in the Paul McGann movie, but when the time came to bring a sense of climactic menace to the proceedings, he was able to deliver, which is more than can be said for Simm. Interestingly, in the episode of Doctor Who Confidential that followed this instalment of the show, Simm points out that all of The Master's dialogue, along with all the mannerisms were down to Russell T Davies...

It was also quite shocking to see the potential annihilation of the human race being set to some crappy piece of pop music that RTD obviously heard in a nightclub a few times. He ruined the climax of series one's The End of the World in a similar fashion.

Johnny, the similarity of Captain Scarlet's Cloudbase was not lost on me, either... ;)

I certainly hope that next week they are able to deliver the goods, as I'm starting to grow a little weary of the show now. I'll always be a fan of the original show, but New-Who has lost the charm it once had on me.

Kev W

[john]

Just wait 'til next week...

I hear there's going to be a great turnout in Trafalgar Square...

:D

[WillHay]

Pure RTD again. Bits nicked from elsewhere, cobbled together, a plot that didn't make sense, another boring invasion of Earth (Haven't we had this before?) and the utterly embarrassing Master... Ugh. Pantomine. Makes the McCoy stuff look like high drama.

[Grant]

I thought it made the McCoy era look like tacky panto but maybe thats just me..... :D

At last we see some timelords this week, wonder who these Toclafane are?

[Dracucarr]

Hmmm, I quite enjoyed the previous episode, but this one really dragged. When I started to get into it towards the end when Saxon/The Master got a little bit menacing on boomed that pop song! Unfortunately with this episode there was a lot of focus on the family aspects again. I cannot stand the mother, Martha's 'fighting' talk makes me cringe and there was one point she stood beside The Master for ages and didn't even attempt to put that key around his neck. As for the pop culture stuff with Sharon Osbourne and co, well... urgh.

What's worse is that the next episode looks like it's dedicated to boring Martha. She was alright earlier on, but now she is starting to get on my nerves as much (not quite though) as Billie Piper did. I hope that episode 3 is a corker of an episode though and upon repeat viewing I can just skip this middle episode.

[WillHay]

I thought it made the McCoy era look like tacky panto but maybe thats just me..... :D

At last we see some timelords this week, wonder who these Toclafane are?

I can't watch much McCoy stuff now, but I'd rather watch it than sit through any RTD penned episode.

Couldn't give a stuff. Some other uninteresting monster. In the old series the monsters weren't just monsters, they generally had a back story and you felt at least some pity for them... Most of them were just trying to survive. RTD's who just uses them as plot devices so he can fit all his soapy stuff around them.

[Grant]

Dunno that toclafane female sounded kinda sexy. :D "your not my master your too weak!" :D
I bet it dovetails nicely in the next one! maybe the master takes her up the aisle! :D

[christats]

My take on the episode,Sound of Drums.

Firstly I thought this is crap,childish pantomine as suspected.
It then picked up after the gasing of the cabinet.
Then I thought it ain't too bad.
It then proceded to be crap again after the 3 musketeers teleported onto the big space station thingy.

It seems John Simm started off like boo hiss,got menacing and then went back to boo hiss,its behind you.

Even if the last episode is mediocre,maybe bad first 7 episodes and last 6 fair to middling.
Not a complete disaster that torchwood was then.

The bit were Harkness said to Martha "you too",nearly made me hurl.They will love the last episode at the parade.

[drterror666]

Well, I think boring and sh*te are two words that described yesterday's episode quite well really. John Simm isn't the Master, although I can understand that he's being held back by ReTarD. What is it with the stupid comedy moments, cringeworthy dialogue and stupid f**king Eurotechno moment towards the end? I was enjoying S3 as there have been some really good episodes, but once again ReTarD is going to completely f**k up the finale!

[christats]

The middle bit was ok.I got really annoyed with the camp disco tune near the end.
The master needs a goatee and a voice with gravitas.
John Simm seemed like the cocky kid who gets up your nose.

[WilsonBros]

What is it with the stupid comedy moments, cringeworthy dialogue and stupid f**king Eurotechno moment towards the end? I was enjoying S3 as there have been some really good episodes, but once again ReTarD is going to completely f**k up the finale!

Well said, that man! ;)

Kev W

[drterror666]

Thank you *takes a bow* :)

[WilsonBros]

Credit where credit's due, doc! :)

MY enthusiasm for the final episode in series three has been tempered somewhat by the underwhelming Sound Of Drums. I was honestly hoping that Simms was going to play The Master with a degree of menace, but I was sadly mistaken.

Kev W

[drterror666]

I think the script should have gone something like this:

Master: Ello, I is da Master an' you is not, innit!

Doctor: Whoa, you is, like, too much in my personal space, Master guy.

Master: I 'ave got dis, like, device and I is going to make you real old, bitch.

Doctor: Get dat outta my face, bitch, or yous is, like, cruising!

Master presses button and Doctor turns into Orville the Duck.

See, I can better ReTarD for quality scripts! If anyone from the BBC is reading this... :D

[Grant]

You've got too much of a gay agenda Doc. You mentioned Cruising. :D

[WilsonBros]

I've got a script currently in the hands of a producer - of course, if the Beeb wanted Nick & I to have a crack at writing a Doctor Who script, we'd say "yes" :D

Kev W

[Dracucarr]

I've got a script currently in the hands of a producer - of course, if the Beeb wanted Nick & I to have a crack at writing a Doctor Who script, we'd say "yes" :D

Kev W

Any hints on what your episode(s) would include?

[Grant]

Not the daleks again Kev! :D

[WilsonBros]

Nah - the Beeb have jumped the shark as far as the Daleks are concerned. I would certainly love to bring back an old adversary for The Doctor... ;)

Kev W

[drterror666]

I want them to bring back the Mechanoids and have an all out scrap with the Krotons!

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the animated adventure, The Infinite Quest, is on Satarday at 10:30.

[orgasmo]

Ive been watching the infinite quest on u tube,it will be fun to watch it all in one go.;)
a cheery hello to the daily star for giveing away the ending to this saturdays doctor who.well sort of, they tell you all 3 apparent endings that were filmed so if you read it you will still know one way or the other.:mad:
thanks guys.:rolleyes:

[drterror666]

You didn't have to read it! Admit it, you are weak! ;) :D

[orgasmo]

I was not strong enough to look away.:o :D

[WilsonBros]

I'd love to write an Ice Warriors sssstory... ;)

Kev W

[H P Saucecraft]

I'd love to see the Raston Warrior from The Five Doctors back

[Grant]

So which monster from the classic series will be back next year you reckon. The Silurians? The Ice Warriors? Davros?

[drterror666]

Well, Davros is long gone, but I suppose ReTarD can resurrect anyone! I think the Ice Warriors would be good, but I'd hate to see them used and abused like the Daleks.

[drterror666]

I was pondering about ReTarD's love of anagrams and the like and it got me think as to what the Toclafane, if that is how it is spelt, are. The name even sounds like it's an anagram of something. Of course, it could be Toclaphane, or Toklafane, or even Toklaphane.

Anyone got any ideas? I could be completely wrong about this.

[Grant]

a clone fat?....ah Peter Kay! :D

[drterror666]

The latest thing I've read is that they're a Dalek/Doctor hybrid! WTF!

I'm sure it'll be disappointing, whatever the little round buggers turn out to be.

[WilsonBros]

I'm pretty sure that RTD will bring back the Ice Warriors next year.

Kev W

[Grant]

I'd like to see an episode set in the sixties in London with lots of women in mini skirts for some reason. :D

[christats]

There's a lack of Quarry locations and gravel pits.
Why hasn't R.T.D brought Adric back.I would have thought that would have been a certainty.

[Dracucarr]

Who can't wait until tonight's episode? :D No one? :eek:

[Grant]

Watched the infinite quest cartoon this morning with the little un. Not bad quite enjoyed it. Looking forward to tonight! :D

[Dracucarr]

Looking forward to tonight! :D

Ha ha, I bet you are :D

[WillHay]

Ha ha, I bet you are :D


I managed 20 minutes of this excrement. Utter drivel.

[dr death]

Missed it- sounds like I got lucky! :D

[Dracucarr]

I was about to turn off when the singing and dancing started. I didn't though, but I really should have! Dreadful mush throughout. "I love the Doctor" bo!locks, but won't settle for second best so time to do off and have a teenage sulk. Good riddance. See you again on the Titanic though no doubt. Reports were she wasn't axed so, I assume she'll return sharpish. Bye bye aswell to Captain Face of Bo - sickly stuff. Simm was an awful master aswell and no doubt he too will return after that Dracula ring moment... plenty of ashes aswell. Urgh.

[dr death]

Missed it- sounds like I got lucky! :D

Somethings are worthy of repetition! :D

[Dracucarr]

Somethings are worthy of repetition! :D

Oh, but this was the best episode ever! :rolleyes: :D

[dr death]

No it wasn't! ;)

[Dracucarr]

No it wasn't! ;)

You can tell? After my glowing report aswell :eek:. No, this wasn't the best episode ever. We all know who to thank though don't we? :mad: I think he'd been heavily inspired by The Monster Club - can you believe it Tobias! - as he came up with how humans were the worst kinds of monsters!

[christats]

So the master is a song and dance man who turned the Doctor into Gollum.
I can't even be bothered to sumarise the plot it was that bad.
So anyone who missed it will have to watch the repeat.

John Simm is a good actor,but his turn in these past 2 stories was nothing short of being a huge turkey.
I wouldn't even put this on at 4.20 in the afternoon when something like Raven is on.The beardy magician thing.

Blink and Human Nature aside,the rest was awful.

[NPC]

John Simm was alternately excellent and staggeringly awful, talk about bipolar. A few tranquilisers and a beard and he might have been really good. I wonder if the nail polished fingers reaching for The Master's ring (oh er missus) were those of The Rani or Eddie Izzard (or knowing RTD The Rani played by Eddie Izzard). The Doctor looking like the elf out of Harry Potter was hilariously bad and as for nicking Cloudbase out of Captain Scarlet

[orgasmo]

that ending with the masters ring.what a rip off of flash gordon.:rolleyes:

[Dracucarr]

Since there are tons of Doctor Who fans here could you list the very good to excellent ones (pre RTD era) as I'd like to start collecting them. Cheers

[SicCoyote]

Well you go do worse than starting with the 'The Beginning' box set.
And then
The Tomb of the Cybermen
Inferno
Genesis of the Daleks
Resurrection of the Daleks.
The Two Doctors
&
Remembrance of the Daleks

If you want to get a taste of the first 7 doctors, and 4 dalek stories, 1 cyberman story and 1 featuring a sontaran.

[Johnny_Alucard]

I was pondering about ReTarD's love of anagrams and the like and it got me think as to what the Toclafane, if that is how it is spelt, are. The name even sounds like it's an anagram of something. Of course, it could be Toclaphane, or Toklafane, or even Toklaphane.

Anyone got any ideas? I could be completely wrong about this.

The anagram use is a tribute to the legend who was Robert Holmes. He had a fondness for using anagrams when naming his characters - example in 'The 2 Doctors' story there was a certain Dr Dastari (anagram of 'a tardis') and the food loving aliens from that same story were called 'androgums' (an anagram of 'Gourmands')...by the way, last night's climax was beyond pathetic, not to say a bit pretentious as well, the Master's campy song and dance routine will haunt my nightmares for years and the way that RTD introduces ideas that are potentially interesting and then immediately disregards them is so annoying, will be glad when he's gone...do the honourable thing and quit the show now!

[Johnny_Alucard]

Since there are tons of Doctor Who fans here could you list the very good to excellent ones (pre RTD era) as I'd like to start collecting them. Cheers

You could also add to the list:

City of death, Robots of Death, Talons of Weng Chiang (the best Who story ever by a long way!), Pyramids of Mars, Earthshock, Horror of Fang Rock, The Green Death, for starters...and for fun, maybe, The 5 Doctors...

[Dracucarr]

Well you go do worse than starting with the 'The Beginning' box set.
And then
The Tomb of the Cybermen
Inferno
Genesis of the Daleks
Resurrection of the Daleks.
The Two Doctors
&
Remembrance of the Daleks

If you want to get a taste of the first 7 doctors, and 4 dalek stories, 1 cyberman story and 1 featuring a sontaran.

Cheers, I think I will start with The Beginning boxset and go chronological. They all seem to have pretty good reviews so I think they are excellent recommendations. As for the dvds themselves I see they are mostly available on R1 also. If Only Fools and Horses is anything to go by are these inferior prints aswell? Anybody?

[Dracucarr]

You could also add to the list:

City of death, Robots of Death, Talons of Weng Chiang (the best Who story ever by a long way!), Pyramids of Mars, Earthshock, Horror of Fang Rock, The Green Death, for starters...and for fun, maybe, The 5 Doctors...

Talons of Weng Chiang looks like a great one having read the amazon synopsis! This has probably jumped to the top of the pile now, although I think the early Hartnell stuff set is a must buy. Thankyou!

[SicCoyote]

I never really rated Talons that highly but others do.

As far as getting the US ones, well, simply put it's a UK show, made in PAL so it's better to get it in PAL, especially with Doctor Who where all of them (except Tomb of the Cybermen) are in 50hz(50 Frames Per Second) so I don't know how that would go on NTSC.

(Also prints is the wrong word, the BBC has always used Videotape, except when there is a strike or in the 60s - 80s for location work. Which with the doctor who DVDs, when it's available, has been remastered)

[christats]

I got The Begining box set for £12.99 from Whsmith's a few weeks ago.(Don't know if its still that price.)
Never really bothered with the Hartnell era till recently,but enjoyed this.
I think it was The Wilson Bros. said the first part of an unearthly child is the best bit of Dr Who.Then as been mentioned it becomes a cheap caveman romp.

I have all the Dr Who original series on DVD apart from Lost in Time which seems to be only watchable for its importance to the series or if you read the books,(which I don't.)
I don't have the web planet,which I might get to be completist.
I also don't have the movie,but after seeing Eric Roberts on Dr Who confidential,its put me off it.

You can't go wrong with Tom Baker on DVD,I even like The Leasure Hive which alot don't.
I enjoy Patrick Troughton alot,but Pertwee and Davidson while enjoyable seem abit bland to me.
Although I am looking forward to the Time Warrior in September.

[SicCoyote]

Pertwee RULES!

Davison though of the first 7 is my least favourite, I wasn't going to include any of his DVDs in my list till I accidentilly included Resurrection of the Daleks, then remembered it was quite good, and added Remembrance as I was intending to.

Lost in Time is for Completists, I mean I even watch Reconstructions of the missing stories, but don't bother with Galaxy 4 it's not worth it.

Web Planet goes on way too long, I was thinking about making a fan edit cutting about 60 minutes out of it, could make it better.

I wouldn't recommend Earthshock till after seeing The Key To Time Saga, but the price it is currently at on Amazon.co.uk for the upcoming release is a bit taking the piss.

[christats]

Pertwee is good,Just abit samey.
For Davidson what about Caves of Androzani with the gimp.
Pertwee is my third favourite behind T.Baker and Troughton.
Some of Pertwee's best stories are up there.

Anyone noticed some repackaged ones on Play have or about to come out for less than a tenner.Five Doctors and a few others.

As for R1 discs,I have the Key To Time set and it looks alright to me.Maybe some with Dodgy film elements might look worse.,
Only prob with Key to time set is its coming out here soon with extras....:(

[SicCoyote]

Anyone noticed some repackaged ones on Play have or about to come out for less than a tenner.Five Doctors and a few others
I think these are going to be bare bones releases.



As for R1 discs,I have the Key To Time set and it looks alright to me.Maybe some with Dodgy film elements might look worse.
I don't think the film bits would make the difference it's the fact it's full frame-rate UK video interlaced at 50fps it's going to look worse when converted to NTSC no matter what.

It seems that www.blahdvd.com is the cheapest place to get recent and upcoming doctor who dvds with the Key To Time Box £7 cheaper than Amazon and play.

[Vaughan]

Blah DVD? That's a new one on me. Have you used them, Sicco?

[SicCoyote]

I just bought:
Timelash
Timefliught/ArcofInfinity
Time Warrior
for a total of £31.33 from BlahDVD

Just use the £5 off link on this page: http://www.hotukdeals.com/vouchers-static.html

and then register and put them all in your basket and buy them putting in the voucher that should come with your registration

[drterror666]

Well, the trilogy ended and made no sense whatsoever. I mean, if the Master needs a Paradox Machine to bring the Toclafane into the present day, how do any of the Doctor's assistants travel into the past? Does the TARDIS give them immunity or something? That stinks of really bad script writing.

The Flash Gordon ending made me think that ReTarD is going to bring back the Rani in some form or another. But, overall, it was a typical ReTarD finale leading into a typical ReTarD Xmas Special.

Loved the Titanic wedged in the TARDIS wall though!

[Johnny_Alucard]

Talons of Weng Chiang looks like a great one having read the amazon synopsis! This has probably jumped to the top of the pile now, although I think the early Hartnell stuff set is a must buy. Thankyou!

You dont get many children's TV shows with martial arts scenes (including the then BBFC led banned use of nunchucks...this footage was missing from original VHS release) and scenes set in limehouse opium dens...class all the way!

[Mojo]

Well you go do worse than starting with the 'The Beginning' box set.
And then
The Tomb of the Cybermen
Inferno
Genesis of the Daleks
Resurrection of the Daleks.
The Two Doctors
&
Remembrance of the Daleks

If you want to get a taste of the first 7 doctors, and 4 dalek stories, 1 cyberman story and 1 featuring a sontaran.

Wot - no Spearhead From Space, Sic? Best story ever for me. Early Pertwee stuff was classic.

Others I'd recommend would include:

Inferno
The Robots Of Death
Pyramids Of Mars
Talons Of Weng Chiang
The Invasion
Claws Of Axos
The Mind Robber
Revelation Of The Daleks
:)

[SicCoyote]

I was picking one from each doctor and it was a tough call but I picked Inferno.

[SicCoyote]

Also if you are thinking of buying some it might be worth waiting as HMV have a bunch of re-releases (in new covers) for £6.99 each.

[Mojo]

I was picking one from each doctor and it was a tough call but I picked Inferno.

Fair play, Sic. Totally with you on Inferno, by the way. Absolutely brilliant story.

[Mark Y]

Why they don't use the original scripts and remake some of the lost stories as period pieces, with the look of the original series (not in b&w obviously). I think that could be quite interesting...?

[Dracucarr]

How do the Peter Cushing films compare to the Hartnell episodes? I love Daleks Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. with Cushing, but find the first film a bit dull.

[christats]

Peter Cushing is way too twee.
I loved most of his work,but I see the films as more of a Disney type of rendition.
I have them,bought the Optimum set.Only in a completist way.

[SicCoyote]

Dr.Who and the Daleks has lots of funny unintentional comedy, Dalek Invasion has lots of not funny, intentional comedy.

[WillHay]

The anagram use is a tribute to the legend who was Robert Holmes. He had a fondness for using anagrams when naming his characters - example in 'The 2 Doctors' story there was a certain Dr Dastari (anagram of 'a tardis') and the food loving aliens from that same story were called 'androgums' (an anagram of 'Gourmands')...by the way, last night's climax was beyond pathetic, not to say a bit pretentious as well, the Master's campy song and dance routine will haunt my nightmares for years and the way that RTD introduces ideas that are potentially interesting and then immediately disregards them is so annoying, will be glad when he's gone...do the honourable thing and quit the show now!

RTD introduces nothing. Every idea is nicked from somewhere else, and to add insult to injury he doesn't even attempt to make a decent story from them.

[christats]

Maybe just idle speculation,but I got a sniff of another rumour while surfing.
Talking of nicked or is that resurected ideas,Kylie to play Romana in the Christmas Titanic special.
Is that why Martha's s*dded off for a while.?

[WillHay]

Wot - no Spearhead From Space, Sic? Best story ever for me. Early Pertwee stuff was classic.

Others I'd recommend would include:

Inferno
The Robots Of Death
Pyramids Of Mars
Talons Of Weng Chiang
The Invasion
Claws Of Axos
The Mind Robber
Revelation Of The Daleks
:)


Revelation of the Daleks is good - the Doctor doesn't do an awful lot, but it's got a decent plot (Nicked from an Evelyn Waugh short novel) and plenty of conspiracies and nastiness in it. One of the best Colin Baker stories.

[WilsonBros]

I thought Last of the Time Lords was crap.

RTD plundered from various sources (Flash Gordon, Return of the Jedi, Superman: The Movie, Superman II) and yet again threw in some crappy modern music sequence.

As for that "all think of The Doctor" crap, Jesus, they might as well have told everyone around the world to simultaneously click their fingers every three seconds and think "make The Master history".

Not sure if you guys know, but the Beeb have confirmed that Freema is only going to be in the latter half of series four (she'll appear in three episodes of Torchwood, too) and a new fullt-time companion will also come in for series four.

Kev W

[drterror666]

Kylie to play Romana in the Christmas Titanic special.

The whole Kylie thing was an April Fool.

[christats]

That's what I thought,the whole Kylie thing.
Little bits keep cropping up here and there though.

I have been eyeing up some of the "Vintage" Who re-releases in the Virgin shop.£9 there and £7.99 on Play.
They have extras according to the back of the box.Whether they are the same as the original releases I am not sure without checking.
I nearly bought Dr Who the Movie today.As its the only 1 of the 4 or 5 re-issues I don't have.Maybe.


I had heard about Freema Agyeman,she has been eased into a sacking then.

[SicCoyote]

According to Outpost Gallifrey the new budget releases are only different in their cover everything else is the same.

[christats]

The whole Kylie thing was an April Fool.

It has fooled Outpost Gallifrey in a big way.Just been on the site,there's now a press photo.?
Another incarnation of Romana,a new Tegan(considering the accent.) or a new one off companion altogether.?

So the re-releases are the same.Pity its only the movie I haven't got out of these.Bargain price £6.99 HMV is it.?

[WillHay]

According to teletext she's in the xmas special.
Oh joy.

RTD needs to be taken out.

[MarcMorris]

Kylie stars in festive Doctor Who (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6262094.stm)

I happen to like Kylie ;)

[SicCoyote]

Come on the show is so 'gayified' it had to have kylie in it some time.

[drterror666]

What is ReTarD doing to this series? So, that's another crap Xmas special on the way then. He could have Madonna and Graham Norton in the 2008 one! :D

[christats]

Who next,Graham Norton,Barbara Streisland,Liza Minelli.?

Why not have Jason Donovan as Dave's replacement and keep Kylie as an assistant.

In reality its the writing that matters.No hope then.

Edit.... Graham Norton mentioned twice.I'll replace the suggestion with David Guest or Ethel Merman.(I forgot,shes dodo.)

[WilsonBros]

You guys have probably heard this already, but the Beeb have officially announced that Catherine Tate is going to be coming back for the fourth series.

Not sure if it's going to be in an ongoing capacity, but she will certainly crop up for at least one episode, though I did hear a whisper that she could be in place up until the middle of the series, when Freema comes back...

...the horror, the horror.

Kev W

[NPC]

All 13 episodes!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6267680.stm

[WilsonBros]

I had a horrible feeling that was the case.

My sister-in-law said, during the second series, that one of the biggest problems that New-Who has is that it is too reliant upon comedy actors popping up in guest roles.

With each passing series, there seems to be more and more of them turning up and with the news of Catherine Tate being confirmed for all 13 episodes of series four, this has pretty much taken things to their logical conclusion.

Despite the numerous criticisms levelled against Freema, I personally liked her, once she had settled into the series and it is a great shame that she has been elbowed out of the way to make room for a high profile comedy actress.

I can't say that I'm filled with confidence...

Kev W

[orgasmo]

thats series four buggered to hell before its even started filming for me then.:(
thanks russell.:mad:

Ive herd they want to add more humour into the show,why for gods sake the 3 best eps of this year were adult stories pretending to be kids telly.you would think they would want more of that not more stupid trys at non- humour.:rolleyes:

[WilsonBros]

Couldn't agree more, orgasmo.

Kev W

[SicCoyote]

Well I haven't seen Series 3, and by the looks of things I think I'm going to be avoiding Series 4 like the plague. Bring back the doom and gloom of Eccleston.

Time to put my pre-order in for the Keys of Time.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Catherine Tate! Am I bovvered? Damn right, I am...the decline in 'Who' has now reached it's ultimate conclusion...a pathetic, but not wholly unsurprising decision...RTD has taken a pop culture icon and systematically destroyed it in his tenure as Head Writer-Exec Producer...he's apparently leaving after series four to tackle other projects...what next I wonder? 'The Avengers' or maybe 'Adam Adamant'!

[drterror666]

I bet ol' WillHay is raving like a loon at this news. I actually thought she wasn't bad when she was in it. It just remains to be seen how it all pans out. You're not being forced to watch it you know.

[christats]

I read it in the Metro about Catherine Tate.
I have critizised Freema Agyeman abit,because she seemed like a spare part in alot of stories.

Was that down to the writing,the way she seemed to come across,(a bit blank.)Or a bit of both.

Maybe the writing as she seemed ok in the 3 stronger episodes.

I can't say I am big fan of Catherine Tate.Her show grates on me.
After Vicky Pollard in the other effort,it was hard to stomach Lauren.
The problem with getting a familiar name is that she might overshadow and detract from it.
We shall see.
Did it say she was doing it as Nan.?

[Dracucarr]

what next I wonder? 'The Avengers'

Pray no!:mad:

[WilsonBros]

The New New Avengers... ;)

Kev W

[Dracucarr]

The New New Avengers... ;)

Kev W

Pray and pray again no!:eek: :mad:

[Johnny_Alucard]

On the subject of 'The Avengers', the living legend who is Brian Clemens has been quoted as saying that he wrote for the majority of the great British TV series in the 1960s, apart from 'Dr Who' (and admittedly, I think 'The Prisoner' and Gerry Anderson's puppet shows). During interviews on recent TV shows and on DVD 'extras' his imagination and wit has been very much in evidence and he has said that not writing for 'Who' was one of his major disappointments. ...I'd love to see him rectify that disappointment and write for the new show...to paraphrase John Steed's request to Emma Peel at the start of the colour 'Avengers' episodes - Mr Clemens, you're needed!

[Grant]

She was useless in the runaway bride she can only play one part, scrubber with a gob. Cue endless arguments in the tardis and turning into a comedy show. All he has to do now is regenerate the master into graham norton RTD has lost the plot. Maybe he can get matt lucas to guest star next time its getting that predictable. Will Hay will be spitting blood when he hears about this. After the human nature/blink greatness we get crap news like this. At least my little lad loves it but I'm truly saddened. Why not remake the curse of peladon with the league of gentlemen ffs.

[dr death]

Pray and pray again no!:eek: :mad:

Isn't it amazing how you lot always turn religious at times of crises! :D

[Diabolique]

Kylie was supposed to appear at the Diana concert at the weekend but was actually filming her scenes for the christmas special,kylie filmed them early as she is working on her new album.

[WilsonBros]

At least my little lad loves it but I'm truly saddened.

I feel the same way - I have three nephews and a niece and all of them love Doctor Who. I have been a fan of the show for most of my life and saw the original series through from Destiny of the Daleks through to the bitter end (even thought it perked up considerably in the last season).

I have watched New-Who and have seen it heading down the crapper during series three - the first half of this series was was mediocre to say the least, then three excellent episodes came along and raised the series out of the mire (Human Nature, The Family Of Blood & Blink), aside from Utopia (which wasn't bad) the series plummeted again by a pretty dire series finale.

The story possibilities through having The Master come back were infinite, but it was pissed away by having a satire on Blair.

As I said at the start of this post, my brother's siblings all love Doctor Who, but my heart sinks at how this show is seemingly going down the tubes. The annoucement yesterday that Catherine Tate is coming back just puts the tin hat on my theories. I'm honestly giving serious thought as to whether or not to actually watch series four...

Kev W

[Grant]

Lets hope to god he gets some good writers like Moffat and stops penning episodes himself. Personally I can't stand Tait and thought she was awful in the last xmas special.

[NPC]

Her accent was distinctly wobbly in one episode so it'll probably be all over the place in thirteen. Remember the good old days when The Master was just plain evil, now he has to have a backstory of childhood trauma and constant tinnitus

[WilsonBros]

I live with that particular condition and I can appreciate the madness aspect.

Kev W

[christats]

The last Christmas episode was very ranty and pantomine.I.e a big evil villain that posed no real threat,due to just posteuring.
It smacks a bit of desperation on both sides.The Who team want a well known name to liven it regardless of how it turns out.
Catherine Tate maybe realising that her show has run its course,or that some people don't like her.Me included.

Pity R.T.D dosn't realise it.

[Mark Y]

Sez in The Sun today that they are trying to get Dennis Hopper to appear in the next series as a villain...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a64316/dennis-hopper-in-talks-for-doctor-who.html

[Grant]

I hope he chops tait in pieces and feeds her to his dogs tbh.

[dr death]

I don't think the episode would be shown pre-watershed. You can count me as a viewer though! :D

[SicCoyote]

Sez in The Sun today that they are trying to get Dennis Hopper to appear in the next series as a villain...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a64316/dennis-hopper-in-talks-for-doctor-who.html

Shouldn't be too hard, just gotta waft a little money in front of his face.

I'm only joking I think Hopper is great in whatever he's in, but whatever he's in isn't necessarily great.

[NPC]

For the first time Hopper will be the most restrained and subtle actor of a cast

[Grant]

The Sun had him mocked up as Davros. There is an eerie similarity....

[Johnny_Alucard]

Hopper in Frank Booth mode would be fun...the Tardis materialising in Lumberton...a quick burst of 'in dreams' ala the 'candy coloured clown' and then have the heavies beat up the Doc...get out of that with your magic writing paper, or whatever it's called! LOL

[Mojo]

Lets hope to god he gets some good writers like Moffat and stops penning episodes himself. Personally I can't stand Tait and thought she was awful in the last xmas special.

Human Nature / Family Of Blood and Blink were absolutely brilliant - classics, for me. I also enjoyed 42.

RTD's episodes, on the other hand, were abysmal - culminating in the worst two - parter to finish the series. John Sim's 'song and dance routine' was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen.

I'll be perfectly honest and say I've enjoyed some of RTD's earlier efforts ( Slitheen story, two part Dalek / Cybermen epic ) but, throughout, all the best episodes by far have been penned by other writers.

As for the next series, Steven Moffat is writing a two - parter, as is Tom ( Rise Of The Cybermen ) McRae, Gareth Roberts and a few others, including a couple of new writers. RTD, thankfully, is only contributing four episodes. Which, judging by the last series, will probably all be sh*te.

[drterror666]

I heard a rumour, as Bananarama once said, that Paul McGann and Christopher Ecclestone are going to be in the new Xmas special. Of course, I don't believe a word of it...

[Grant]

Now that would be interesting but as you say Doc I can't see that happening. A three doctors story on the Titanic hmmm.

[dr death]

Now that would be interesting but as you say Doc I can't see that happening. A three doctors story on the Titanic hmmm.

Sounds good. I could do with a free cruise and, unless the tardis blows a gasket, we could make a speedy exit before the iceberg strikes! :D

[orgasmo]

anyone out there already missing who.:o hard to believe I know but if you are Ive found a way round it and it wipes the floor with most of the car crash which was series 3.:) (bar 3 episodes).
Ive started reading the bbc books that they release now and again.just from the covers they seem to be written by people who understand what dr who is ment to be about which only got it right 3 times this year.:rolleyes:
Ive started with the clockwise man by justin richards set in1920s london and theres inhuman killers roaming the streets.
good fun so far.its got the 9th doctor.;)

[Grant]

There are quite a few audio adventures with McGann as well I believe.

[NPC]

There are quite a few audio adventures with McGann as well I believe.

And they've been brilliant, far better than the TV series and Sheridan Smith as the mouthy Lucie is one of the best assistants there's been. Try Blood Of The Daleks and The Horror Of Glam Rock. Hoping there'll be another radio series this winter

[christats]

As I was in Virgin Megastore the other day I spotted the O ring re-releases of 5 or so Doctor Who stories.I think they can be had for a couple of quid cheaper online.
A bargin as there are at least 2 musts included.Genesis and Hand of Fear.
I have them apart from the Movie.So I thought what the hell and bought it.
As been mentioned they are exactly the same silver BBC releases with just a dark blue cardboard sleeve ontop.

Watched "the movie" this morning,not seen it before.It is really awful.It is way too grainy American TV film for me.

There are soapy romantic moments that are not needed.The master as a blobby cobra.:confused: The tardis looks like the inside of a castle.Whether or not the new BBC series is good or not I think they got the Tardis right.

I am glad they didn't make an American funded series out of it.
A British produced tv series with Paul McGann in would have possibly been good though.

[drterror666]

Following on to that rumour I heard, apparently Tennent's Doctor meets McGann's Doctor on the Titanic, where they team up to work out what's going on. At the end of it all, McGann is injured and regenerates into Eccleston's Doctor. Now, as much as I would love this to happen, I still don't believe a word of it.

[Grant]

That would dovetail nicely but like you say Doc I can't see it happening.

[christats]

I want a titanic full of Zygons taking over the passengers.
Paul Mcgann would be very nice as well.
After the experience of the frustratingly crap movie yesterday,it would be good to see how he does in a half decent environment.
Then again R.T.D is writing it.

[WilsonBros]

Watched "the movie" this morning,not seen it before.It is really awful.

There are soapy romantic moments that are not needed. The tardis looks like the inside of a castle.

I am glad they didn't make an American funded series out of it.
A British produced tv series with Paul McGann in would have possibly been good though.

The movie was a serious miss-step, but it is not as outrightly awful as many people paint it.

McGann was a great Doctor and the production values were pretty damn good - the interior of the TARDIS was quite wonderful; the console room looked much better than the one in New-Who.

Eric Roberts wasn't so great, but he came frustratingly close to getting his Master right. There are times when you can almost see him channelling Anthony Ainley.

The whole "he's got two hearts" things was emphasised way too much and there was a soap opera aspect to some of the script. The "half-human" revelation was groan-inducing and without wishing to sound like a hard-core Who nerd, the Eye of Harmony WAS on Gallifrey.

Generally, the effects were great and one or two good performances, but I was ultimately glad that it didn't get picked up as a mid-season replacement. New-Who wouldn't have existed if it had.

Chris - I agree, a British Doctor Who series with McGann would have been great - if RTD could see past the prospect of another pantomime-like multiple Doctor story, there could be great possibilities. I'd love to see Tennant, McGann & Sylvester McCoy together in one story.

Kev W

[christats]

Maybe awful is a strong word to use about the movie.
The discrepancies,eye of harmony and all that don't bother me.
It was too Americanised and the soft graininess added to it,the Master looking like the terminator at first.Eric Roberts can do nasty,but it didn't click.
Maybe its why I like Callan but not the Equalizer.

I can watch any Who,might have a go at Timelash later,now there's a classic.:eek:

(If we are going to have a 3 doctors why not McGann Tennant and Ecclestone,but then again he's in Heroes.)

[WilsonBros]

Eccleston wouldn't do it for a couple of reasons - mainly because he's been lured by the US. His non-participation with the extras on the Doctor Who series 1 box-set was a strong indicator of his reluctance to have anything further to do with the show.

Kev W

[MarcMorris]

He was in the US shooting HEROES - so how could he be here to do extras?

[WilsonBros]

I did happen to hear from someone who worked on the show the Mr E was not a bundle of laughs to be around during the shoot of Doctor Who, so even if it was possible for a contribution for the DVD set, it probably wouldn't have happened.

Kev W

[christats]

Maybe I'm a fool but I have just sat through Timelash.
I can't stop buying the "classic" series,on release at the moment.
Two words.Paul Darrow.I'll leave it at that.

[Mojo]

Two words.Paul Darrow.I'll leave it at that.

Yes- he was good, wasn't he? :D

[H P Saucecraft]

My cure for the series, re-animate pertwee & troughton & have them taking turns as the doctor, once tennant has finished his run :D

[dr death]

My cure for the series, re-animate pertwee & troughton & have them taking turns as the doctor, once tennant has finished his run :D

My reserection fees are very reasonable! ;) :D

[christats]

Looks like Kylie is playing a waitress called Astrid in Voyage of the Damned.So the silly rumour I heard on another site about Romana are untrue.

Anyone noticed that UK TV Drama is having a Dr Who weekend this Sat and Sun.
Showing a story from each actor by the looks of it.
The Tom Baker one is the Deadly Assassin about 4.20ish Saturday afternoon.
I am going to watch the VHS of it tonight,going off ratings its one of his best.(I can't remember it,might have seen it.)

Then there's a vote afterwards.Nice if you have Sky.

[Dracucarr]

I no longer have sky since the footie season finished, but does the Doctor Who weekend have a documentary?

[christats]

I don't have Sky either but I have most of the stuff.

Sat,,,8.00 AM unearthly child,,8.35 the chase,,9.10 death of Dr Who,,9.40 inferno,,10.40 the caves of Androzani,,

12.40 pm curse of fenric,,2.30 the 3 doctors,,4.25 the deadly Assassin,,6.00 Rose,,7.00 the empty child,,8.00 the doctor dances

Sun,,,,,8.00 am Dr Who,(no details.),,

1.15 pm Doctor Who Mcgann film,,3.00 Rose,,4.00 parting of Ways,,5.00 new earth,,6.School Re-union,,7.00 army of Ghosts,,8.00 Doomsday.

Not that exciting apart from Deadly Assassin it seems.

[Diabolique]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1773

[Diabolique]

Hahahahaha seems that the Daily Mail forgot the embargo on the pic.

[christats]

The picture of Kylie Astrid is on a site called Unit News also.Lets get them in trouble as well.

[Diabolique]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6292628.stm

[Mojo]

Not that exciting apart from Deadly Assassin it seems.

Try and catch the Inferno episodes, christats. Brilliant stuff.

[christats]

I have Inferno on DVD,it is good but the unit stories are not my favourites.Although I can see why its got alot of fans.
Just watched Deadly Assassin on video.Also good but not a classic for me.
Too much of the newer stuff in the UK drama listings,and only a sprinkling of episodes for some of the stories.

Tom Baker,Patrick Troughton or even Pertwee should win the poll.If Tennant,McCoy or Ecclestone win then it will be a pointless exercise by people with short memories.

[WilsonBros]

UKTV Gold's screening policy this coming weekend is bizarre to say the least - they are only playing two episodes from William Hartnell's Dalek story, The Chase.

The Chase is one of the handfull of surviving Doctor Who stories that Nick & I haven't seen - I just secured an NTSC tape copy on Ebay for a fiver, so I'm happy! :)

Kev W