TV: Dr. Who

[orgasmo]

davies could not write his way out of a paper bag.:rolleyes:
as a wannabe writer myself I sat through the christmas special open mouthed.
so the tardis doors can open in deep space now can they.:eek:
talk about lazy scripting.I could go on but as its christmas ILL give it a rest today.:)

merry christmas to all anchor bay forum members.:cool:
lets hope 2007 a better year for us film fans.;)

[Johnny_Alucard]

No doubt it will be the ratings hit of the holiday schedules, but it certainly was nothing less than farcical grotesque pantomine...Catherine Tate shouting in a mockney accent for an hour does not entertainment make...possibly a new low for the show, which is saying something for RTD's 'Who' writing...a fetching new companion for the new series certainly, but wheeling out the daleks again ...oh dear!

[DJM]

A fun little hour of TV that passed the time on Christmas Day. Nothing all that good but still better than anything Torchwood has produced!

[christats]

Re xmas special : what a load of old bollox that was then.
"I'm making it up as I go along", you said it Davies you, er, writer you.

That new assistant and the monsters in the new series they previewed looked ok though.

Didn't alot of us say that when the preview clips for new series 2 came on.
I am seeing last nights program,through 2 pairs of eyes.Drunk ones.
It was awful,worse than last Christmas.Catherine Tate was basically I'm not bothered,all the way through.
The seemingly clever symbolism of flushing spiders down a giant plug hole wasn't clever.
I am not too fussed if liberties are taken if the story was alright.Which it wasn't.

On the other hand it was like a Sci Fi pantomine(in agreement with previous coments.) for 6 year olds allowed to stop up too late.
C.Tate the romantic lead in peril.(With a mouth like a sewer,mind.)
The evil wicked queen,who looked nasty but Cgi hindering any threatening movement.Someone to go boo hiss at.
Still it wasn't as bad as little Britain.:eek:

[drterror666]

As we keep saying, RTD cannot write for toffee, but the audience love it! I bet they thought Catherine Tate was brilliant, etc., etc.

I couldn't believe it when I saw the Daleks in the trailer, though. How's RTD going to shoehorn them into the show now?

[Mojo]

I thought it was ok. It picked up after the first 15 minutes or so, when Catherine Tate calmed down a bit and stopped overacting. Better than last year's Christmas story, which was dire.

Agree with a previous poster - it's still more enjoyable than anything from the 'adult' :D Torchwood.

[christats]

Is anything worse than Torchwood,for being a disapointment.
I thought this year's Christmas Who was slightly worse than last year's,with the Dr in Arthur Dent PJ mode.
This one was a bitty story with the next bit tacking onto the last.
I still watched it,and thank goodness C.Tate calmed down abit or I might have turned it off.
I thought I saw Sontarian's in the preview,but they are apparently Judooh or something with a similar name.
Looked like horned Sontarians to me though.

[mrb]

Truly the worst writing was the doctor explaining that "i can't go back along someone's personal time-line.....apparantly", I mean, did Tennant add the "apparantly" out of embarrasment?

As for the monster, the phrase "all the mobility of a toaster oven" springs to mind.

[Johnny_Alucard]

As we keep saying, RTD cannot write for toffee, but the audience love it! I bet they thought Catherine Tate was brilliant, etc., etc.

I couldn't believe it when I saw the Daleks in the trailer, though. How's RTD going to shoehorn them into the show now?

Apparently the daleks are to return in a two parter - another earth invasion plot set in 1930s New York! I kid you not...wouldn't surprise me if Davies threw King Kong into the mix with such a setting...the mind boggles!

[christats]

I remember a good episode of Star Trek set in the 30's or similar time with Joan Collins.
R.T.Davies either does cop out stories,steals or disregards/distorts previous events.
There is already speculation in today's rag paper the sun who will take over from David Tennant.

I have come to the conclusion that Ecclestone and Tennant were/are not that bad.Even a brilliant actor cannot put across w*nk scripts.
Who will be Dr no 11 says the sun.Forgetting that Peter Cushing played him,making Tennant No.11.
Robert Carlisle,David Morrresy being 2 names suggested.
How about a new script team as well.

[Grant]

I wonder if Richard E Grant would give it a go on screen? Think he did some radio ones.

[christats]

Then they could do a 2 doctors story with Paul McGann and talk about fine wine.
R.E.Grant would be not bad.He could be as pompous as T.Baker.

[Grant]

We could watch the two doctors argue about the washing up too. Uncle Monty could be the Master.

"My boys, my boys.....".

Jobs a good un. :D

[Rebelson]

I've just watched the Christmas episode and , I'm sorry everyone, but I loved it :D

It looks like I maybe the only one.:confused:

I think I'll go and stand in the corner on my own then. :o

[richward]

This had too much music, too much talking, the first half-hour was OK. After that extremely embarrassing moment when they rode on those bike things, it was all downhill. Catherine Tate did a reasonable job with a terrible character, please can we stop with all these 'stupid' yet 'endearing' characters, I can't stand the way that as with Jackie Tyler, on the one hand you're supposed to be laughing AT them, the next feeling sorry for them. It doesn't work.

[WillHay]

This had too much music, too much talking, the first half-hour was OK. After that extremely embarrassing moment when they rode on those bike things, it was all downhill. Catherine Tate did a reasonable job with a terrible character, please can we stop with all these 'stupid' yet 'endearing' characters, I can't stand the way that as with Jackie Tyler, on the one hand you're supposed to be laughing AT them, the next feeling sorry for them. It doesn't work.

It was terrible. Terrible story, terrible writing - a sequence of set pieces with chunks of exposition. Pure RTD. Pure drivel. The same old "plot" he's been doing since the series started. The bloke cannot write this sort of fiction - you have to set up the plot from the start. Just stringing together chases and then having characters explain what's going on is just poor, amateurish writing - this show needs an experienced script editor who likes genre stories and can slap RTD down and tell him to go back and put a plot in.

To make matters worse, the effects were terrible and lacked imagination - really, a spider with a human head? Yawn. And the music was loud and cliched.

Again, the ideas and bits and pieces were just nicked from elsewhere. This is fine, but at least put it all together with a coherent, well plotted storyline filled with strong characters... And RTD can't resist spoiling any tension by sticking in slapstick moments... I just don't get the point of this show anymore... It's like a glossy rentaghost.

[christats]

A spider monster that couldn't move apart from swaying about.
The fact that the program was about 5th in the ratings,shows that it isn't as popular as the BBC or R.t Davies thinks it is.
I have been watching alot of old Dr Who recently.Mainly T.Baker, and abit of Pertwee,Davidson,C.Baker and Troughton.
All better,even the weaker stories.Its the 1 off story format that is the problem.
Something that cannot be fixed with the best of writers and actors.
Something that the low attention span,Joe Public won't entertain.
Why the f*ck do they put Robin Dud on then.

[Johnny_Alucard]

I remember a good episode of Star Trek set in the 30's or similar time with Joan Collins.
R.T.Davies either does cop out stories,steals or disregards/distorts previous events.
There is already speculation in today's rag paper the sun who will take over from David Tennant.

I have come to the conclusion that Ecclestone and Tennant were/are not that bad.Even a brilliant actor cannot put across w*nk scripts.
Who will be Dr no 11 says the sun.Forgetting that Peter Cushing played him,making Tennant No.11.
Robert Carlisle,David Morrresy being 2 names suggested.
How about a new script team as well.

Hopefully online Trekkies will correct me...but if I remember rightly the Joan Collins episode of Star Trek was the legendary Harlan Ellison episode 'The City on the Edge of Forever' - possibly the most highly regarded edition in 'classic' Trek history, where J.T. Kirk fell in love with an earthling called Edith Keeler, who had to die so positive events in earth's future could transpire following her death, even though Kirk could essentially save her...given Ellison's brilliance in the sci-fi genre and his belief in defending 'classic Who' to the point of fisticuffs in his intros to the U.S versions of the great 'Target' novelisations of 60s-70s, makes RTD's work even more painful and dubious....anyone else agree? Think, like many, that Richard E. Grant in 'Withnail' mode would make a delicious Doctor, especially given his past Time Lord credentials....

[Grant]

Any links for Ellison quotes on the new series Johnny? I love Ellison but haven't heard his views on the new series.

[christats]

I may have misheard as I wasn't concentrating on the radio,but I am sure there was a story touting Jason Statham as the possible replacement for David Tennant.I have heard of this actors name but I might have to do a bit of surfing to remind me.

[john]

Hopefully online Trekkies will correct me...but if I remember rightly the Joan Collins episode of Star Trek was the legendary Harlan Ellison episode 'The City on the Edge of Forever' - possibly the most highly regarded edition in 'classic' Trek history, where J.T. Kirk fell in love with an earthling called Edith Keeler, who had to die so positive events in earth's future could transpire following her death, even though Kirk could essentially save her...

No need for any corrections Johnny...I couldn't have put it better myself. A wonderful episode and it would have been even better I hear had it not been for studio interference. I can't remember the details at the moment.

city on the edge of forever paired with it's other Emmy Award winner the doomsday machine makes for some great classic televison viewing...

:cool:

[DJM]

I may have misheard as I wasn't concentrating on the radio,but I am sure there was a story touting Jason Statham as the possible replacement for David Tennant.I have heard of this actors name but I might have to do a bit of surfing to remind me.

There is little chance of them choosing Jason Statham to take over as The Doctor.
Statham who starred in both the Transporter movies and also in Crank this year is fine as an action star (I like his movies) but there is no way he would work as Doctor Who. No matter if you really dislike David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor they are much better suited to play him than Statham would ever be.

http://www.jesuslist.com/blog/images/jason-statham.jpeg

[christats]

I am changing my opinion of Tennant and Ecclestone,particulary Ecclestone.
With writing more suited to the program and less cop out and supposed subliminal themes,these 2 actors may have been better.
I heard in the story on the news that the next Dr Who would be "beefed up" and tougher,and I am sure it mentioned Statham.I know who he is now,he's in the sort of films I tend to avoid like the plague.
We need a Dandy,like R.E.Grant as was suggested and a less dandy writer(s).

[DJM]

What about Alan Davies? Not sure if he would work in Doctor Who 2006 (might have fit into the 80's Doctor Who), but what does everyone else think?

[christats]

Although I didn't mind Jonathan Creek,I don't think Dr Who would work with him as it might become Creek in Space,or on a council estate and pretend London if R.T is still in control.
Sometimes when someone plays a kind of similar role in another program its difficult to detach.
Lets have a stroppy one in a homage to J.Pertwee.Maybe Dylan Moran.(To be honest I don't have a clue.)

[richward]

It doesn't really matter who they choose, if the characterisation of the Doctor still relies on self-conscious gurning and endless babbling, they'll be no better than Ecclestone or Tennant.

[Grant]

Anyone interested in Ellison's Star Trek episode needs this (http://www.amazon.com/Harlan-Ellisons-City-Edge-Forever/dp/1565049640). Unca Harly wasn't standing for the addition of space pirates to liven it up a bit.....

[NPC]

Still haven't watched the Christmas one but there is good Doctor Who, just not on the TV http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagain/sunday/ Blood Of The Daleks was excellent, the sound of Daleks attempting to be nice was quite disconcerting, liked Sheridan Smith as the stroppy assistant, Kenneth Cranham was good as always and even Anita Dobson was OK. Interesting to hear the Daleks' opinion of the Doctor as a genocidal terrorist. Hope part two and the remaining stories are as good. I also found this rather amusing http://youtube.com/watch?v=zEdrXEv0F4I

[NPC]

The second part of Blood Of The Daleks was excellent, far better than the TV series and a worthy successor to Genesis Of The Daleks, Sheridan Smith makes one of the best companions the Doctor's had and I liked the final hint at where rescue for the inhabitants of Red Rocket Rising was coming from. The BBC are doing a ripoff issue of each episode on a separate CD. This coming Sunday The Horror Of Glam Rock with Bernard Cribbins and Una Stubbs

[orgasmo]

I must admit these radio doctor whos are far far more like the adult dr who that Im used to.
can,t wait for the next story.:cool:

[christats]

Watched the first story of the New Begining set.The Keeper of Traken.
Not classic who by a long way,but a decent 3 story set for £22.99.Its this price on Play and in Woolies and Whsmiths.

The extras on Logopolis contain a 50 min doc with Tom Baker in usual barmy entertaining mode.

Having stopped being blinkered I am enjoying Troughton and Davidson as well.
I still refuse to acknowledge McCoy,I believe the next Who DVD release is Survival,a McCoy ffort.

[WilsonBros]

I still refuse to acknowledge McCoy,I believe the next Who DVD release is Survival,a McCoy ffort.

Survival IS the next one - and if rumours about the new series are true, then they are releasing this title for a reason, the same reason why they just released the New Beginnings box (which was originally entitled The Return Of The Master...)

Sylv's stuff is schizophrenic - his earlier stories are pretty bad, but ones in the last season are REALLY good - Remembrence Of The Daleks, The Curse Of Fenric & Ghost Light are just great, Fenric in particular...

THE WILSON BROS

[SicCoyote]

New Beginnings was £17.96 on amazon.co.uk, haven't checked if it still is.

[christats]

Sylv's stuff is schizophrenic - his earlier stories are pretty bad, but ones in the last season are REALLY good - Remembrence Of The Daleks, The Curse Of Fenric & Ghost Light are just great, Fenric in particular...

THE WILSON BROS

I had a look at the back of the Fenric box in HMV.Its got 2 versions,the regular 4 episode and a feature length with extra footage tagged on,......and Nicholas Parsons.

Having watched The New beginings box
(cheaper on Amazon,is it.Typical.) and all the extra's I might just have to bite my lip and try Fenric.At least it hasn't got Bonnie Langford in it.
Although I still need to watch 2 or 3 Patrick Troughton ones I bought.Mind Robber and Invasion.

[Mojo]

I still need to watch 2 or 3 Patrick Troughton ones I bought.Mind Robber and Invasion.

Two good 'uns there, christats. Miles better than any old Sylvester McCoy sh*te. :D

[WilsonBros]

I had a look at the back of the Fenric box in HMV.Its got 2 versions,the regular 4 episode and a feature length with extra footage tagged on,......and Nicholas Parsons.

Although I still need to watch 2 or 3 Patrick Troughton ones I bought.Mind Robber and Invasion.

The Curse of Fenric is probably Sylv's best story - the feature-length extended version play much better than the four-part version. There are new CG effects and a wonderful 5.1 mix. Nicholas Parsons plays it straight and is surprisingly effective, and best of all - no Bonnie Langford! ;)

Probably the dullest tenure on Doctor Who was the Davidson era - we were entertained by Davidson when his stories were originally transmitted, but rewatching them a couple 'o three years back, it's remarkable how DULL they are. Peter Davidson's Doctor showed little of the curmudgeonly spark his predecessors had.

As we've mentioned before, Pat Troughton is our favourite Doctor - just happened to be watching The Mind Robber over the weekend. A shame that there probably aren't going to be any more DVD releases of his for a while...

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

Can't disagree about Peter Davison.
I watched a tape of Kinda tonight(that snake was tragic.),which I found in a 2nd hand shop for £3 the other day.
I don't hate his Dr, but I am watching his incarnation while more Tom Baker stories turn up or I find old tapes.
I bought Curse of Fenric today, and still have those 2 Troughton stories to watch,by the end of the week hopefully.

All in all after watching a few different Dr's these past few months I still like Tom Baker best,but Patrick Troughton and some J.Pertwee are not far behind.

Its definatley the assistants that make latter Dr's more bearable.
(apart from Langford and Piper.:eek: )

[LoungeLizard]

William Hartnell was always my favourite, followed by Pertwee & (Tom) Baker. Troughton would have ranked in the top 3 if the BBC had more than 6 complete stories in their archive.

[WilsonBros]

I bought Curse of Fenric today, and still have those 2 Troughton stories to watch(apart from Langford and Piper.:eek: )

Damn, you're in for a treat! The Mind Robber is great fun; The Invasion is fabulous stuff and the movie version of The Curse of Fenric was the best Doctor Who story of the mid-late eighties. Enjoy! ;)

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

Watched the full length Curse of Fenric,late last night.
I cannot be converted to Sylvester McCoy.This story was not bad at all though.

The other McCoy DVD's available at the moment don't grab me,but is the upcoming Survival worth a punt.?

I got a taste for the Master after watching the demise of T.Baker in the New Beginning set.

Is it true that Survival is a tie in with stories coming up in the new series 3,and that an actor in a 2nd sweeney rip off series starting next week,is maybe playing the Dr's nemesis.?
(I will try to watch the Troughton ones this weekend.Time permitting.)

[Grant]

Survival is rubbish anyway. Doesn't make sense and dead cheesy. One of the worst Dr Who's imo.

[christats]

Looks like I will have to wait for an half decent DVD release then.Maybe Seeds of Doom,Terror of The Zygons,( sh*t me up as a youngster.) or Deadly Assasin,Daemons etc,etc.

[WilsonBros]

I cannot be converted to Sylvester McCoy...

The other McCoy DVD's available at the moment don't grab me,but is the upcoming Survival worth a punt.?

I got a taste for the Master after watching the demise of T.Baker in the New Beginning set.

Is it true that Survival is a tie in with stories coming up in the new series 3,and that an actor in a 2nd sweeney rip off series starting next week,is maybe playing the Dr's nemesis.?

Other good Sylvester McCoy stories include Ghost Light, Battlefield and Remembrance of the Daleks - though Battlefield has yet to be released on DVD. As we have said before, Slyv's better stories came toward the end of his run - when renewed enthusiasm and McCoy finally being allowed to play his Doctor in the darker and more mercurial way he wanted all along - meant that the silly stories and the bumbling comedic Doctor were eradicated.

Survival brings the Master series to a conclusion (we always prefered Roger Delgado's sublime Master to Anthony Ainley's ridiculous, pantomime Master)

The release of both new New Beginnings box-set (which was originally entitled The Return Of The Master) and the upcoming Survival are obviously not just an interesting co-incidence, as it is all-but officially confirmed that The Master will be returning for series three of New Who.

THE WILSON BROS

[drterror666]

As Black likes to say, clickety click (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6349543.stm)!

[WillHay]

Other good Sylvester McCoy stories include Ghost Light, Battlefield and Remembrance of the Daleks - though Battlefield has yet to be released on DVD. As we have said before, Slyv's better stories came toward the end of his run - when renewed enthusiasm and McCoy finally being allowed to play his Doctor in the darker and more mercurial way he wanted all along - meant that the silly stories and the bumbling comedic Doctor were eradicated.

Survival brings the Master series to a conclusion (we always prefered Roger Delgado's sublime Master to Anthony Ainley's ridiculous, pantomime Master)

The release of both new New Beginnings box-set (which was originally entitled The Return Of The Master) and the upcoming Survival are obviously not just an interesting co-incidence, as it is all-but officially confirmed that The Master will be returning for series three of New Who.

THE WILSON BROS

Battlefield? Good? It's bloody awful!

[WilsonBros]

Well, we liked it! The production values are pretty impressive and there are some very nice character pieces in that particular story.

THE WILSON BROS

[Grant]

I watched Ghost Light a few years ago but can't remember a thing about it. I did like Remembrance of the Daleks though.

[WilsonBros]

Ghost Light is arguably one of the most densely-layered Doctor Who stories - to the point where it should really have been a four-parter rather than a three-parter.

There's oodles of interesting stuff in it (including some very nice back-story concerning Ace, and Sylv slipping into his "Dark Doctor" persona rather nicely), along with a great ensemble cast & a storyline that's a real head-scratcher, meaning that you will have to watch it at least a couple of times for it all to make sense. If it still doesn't, watch the great documentary on the DVD release...

THE WILSON BROS

[NPC]

The current audio series ended last night on BBC7 and its been a triumph. If this had been made for TV there would have been no complaints from fans, McGann's Doctor has developed nicely but the real highlight has been Sheridan Smith as Lucy, probably the best assistant The Doctor has had "if its not in the Argos catalogue you'll have to explain it to me". I sincerely hope they both continue together for many more episodes. Not one duff story in the eight episodes which began with Daleks Vs Human/Dalek hybrids and ended with a firm of mercenaries attempting to cleanse a planet of Cybermen. Individual CDs have been issued of each episode and are now selling at 2 for £15 at Play.com but I suspect a box will be issued in due course

[WilsonBros]

We caught Blood of the Daleks, and it really was very entertaining. The McGann audio series got off to something of a shaky start, but has developed rather nicely.

We still think that Russell T Davies could get away with a flashback episode with McGann in a future series of Doctor Who to bridge the gap between the eighth & ninth Doctors. RTD has vowed that he would never do a The (insert appropriate number here) Doctors story, but a flashback one would be good & Tennant is a gracious enough actor to allow someone else to take centre-stage for one story.

It will almost certainly never happen, but it's nice to think about...

THE WILSON BROS

[drterror666]

You never know, RTD could be reading this right now and is about to get on the phone to McGann!

[NPC]

Robot is up for preorder at www.Play.com for release on 28.5.07 and Timelash is due 25.6.07

[christats]

Nice bit of news.Robot is a must buy for me,just to see Tom Baker jogging on the spot like a madman.

Not sure about Timelash.I probably will end up getting it,especially if Nicola Bryant has a nice outfit.
I hadn't seen any Colin Baker stories till I got them on DVD.

[Mojo]

Not sure about Timelash.I probably will end up getting it,especially if Nicola Bryant has a nice outfit.

Better off waiting for Attack Of The Cybermen or Planet Of Fire then, christats. I know I am :D

Robot wasn't great, but I'll probably pick it up for Tom's debut.

Timelash is pretty bad, but it does have a decent 'monster'. Paul Darrow overracts like f*ck. Lots of tinsel. Etc

[Grant]

Don't forget S3 of new Who end of the month! Let the nay-saying commence ye varlets! :D Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!

[orgasmo]

to celebrate,(maybe:rolleyes: ),the return of doctor who heres an interview with
russell t davies with him saying his leaveing soon.:D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/03/11/svdrwho11.xml&page=1
Master of the universe | Seven Magazine | Arts | Telegraph

oh and the restoration team are asking people for help.:)

http://www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rtwebsite/Clips.htm
Clips

[drterror666]

RTD leaving! WOO, HOO!!!

[christats]

Will Dr Who finish after a 4th new series.? I am so pleased that RTD is leaving the show,but if the 3rd and 4th are as flakey as the 1st and 2nd will it be too much effort for the BBC exec's to find replacement writer(s)/producers.
I would rather have something that pretends to be Dr Who than nothing.
Maybe the fact that RTD isn't the resurrecting god he probably thinks he is has filtered through to him.
I am looking forward to series 3 at the end of March,but only because it will replace stuff that was even worse.

[WilsonBros]

Good - he was responsible for many of the weaker stories, and hopefully with his departure, they'll start to set more stories away from Earth.

It would also be nice if they could have a multiple Doctor story - would be great to see David Tennent paired up with Sylvester McCoy or Paul McGann...

THE WILSON BROS

[drterror666]

Apparently RTD was quoted as saying that multi Doctor stories and ones set away from Earth are unpopular with the audience. I think he's making stuff up!

[orgasmo]

heres russell t interviwed by sfx mag with his reasons why hardly any doctor who storys are set on alien planets:(
sounds like a bunch of bull to me.:rolleyes:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=russell_t_davies_interviewed
SFX

[christats]

He laughs when he see's Stargate and they are in the same Forest.
Well the old series of Who used a dirty old Quarry and I didn't mind.
Setting alot of the stories near trendy Cardiff wine bars and blocks of flats in London gives the series a great Sci Fi feel.

[WilsonBros]

Apparently RTD was quoted as saying that multi Doctor stories and ones set away from Earth are unpopular with the audience. I think he's making stuff up!

It would be nice if he were, as it would be more interesting than the vast majority of the stories he contributed... ;)

Besides, if a writer of the calibre of Mark Gatiss (whom we bumped into recently...) or Steven Moffat got the opportunity to write a multiple Doctor story, then they would come up with something that would doubtless touch upon the changes in personality that one goes through on the journey of life. They'd certainly make it entertaining and would help to flesh out the short tenure of Paul McGann.

THE WILSON BROS

[NPC]

We appear to have a new Master http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/news/481

[orgasmo]

groan:( looks like russell t davies will be outstaying his welcome even longer than series 3 after all.:mad:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,2036415,00.html#article_continue
Television's lord of prime time awaits his next regeneration | Business | The Observer

[drterror666]

Did anyone watch that episode of Web Of Fear that was shown on BBC4 t'other night? Maybe RTD should have taken notes!

[orgasmo]

build your own TARDIS MAME console.:cool:

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/tardis/index.html
TARDIS MAME Console

[Dracucarr]

Is Dr Poo still going?

[SicCoyote]

Just skimmed over that interview, he's such a smug bastard isn't he.

Now seen the new Master, WHAT THE F*** KIND OF MASTER IS THAT?

[WilsonBros]

Agreed - he's too bloody young for the role. The only good Master was the original, played by the late Roger Delgado, who had a knowing twinkle in his eye, but certainly didn't play it in a camp manner like his replacement, the equally late Anthony Ainley.

Gee, do you think that this new fella is going to play a campy Master...?

THE WILSON BROS

[drterror666]

The Sontarans aren't in the new series, are they?

[NPC]

One of the articles I read mentioned a Pat Troughton era monster but not the Yeti

[H P Saucecraft]

Agreed - he's too bloody young for the role.

Yeah, how about Christopher Lee instead? :)

[christats]

The Sontarans aren't in the new series, are they?

Has the thread discussed them before.There is the Judooh (spelling.?) which look like a Rhino variant,but are nothing to do with the Sontarans or old series,are they.?

I am not warming to the idea of John Simm as The Master.Tom Baker said he wouldn't mind it.Could have him in some twisted logic.He would put everything else in the shade,which probably make the content look more inadequate.
Pity they used Anthony Head as the dumb bat thing.

[drterror666]

Well, it starts tomorrow! The theme running through this series must be the worst kept secret in the entire universe! A trap is being laid across time for the Doctor and an old enemy is laying it. Hmm, I wonder who that is? Yes, it's DI Sam Tyler!

[drterror666]

Has the thread discussed them before.There is the Judooh (spelling.?) which look like a Rhino variant,but are nothing to do with the Sontarans or old series,are they.?

I see it's the Rhino style Judoon. With their helmets on they look like big headed Sontarans! I think they're in the first episode.

[christats]

He's battling Sam Tyler later on in the series,good job it is isn't Gene Hunt.
I always get Judoon wrong,thinking its Judooh.
There is a picture comparison on the net of the Judoon armour/suit and a Sontaran one.
Almost indestinguishable.Both look like fat welders.

R.T.D is banking on older fans not whinging about the similarity,or younger ones not knowing who the sontarans are.
If they are not connected,there must be a reason why a very similar alien is in it or why didn't he just bring the sontarans back.
Maybe they look crap speaking in CGI so they have a cop out grunting Rhino version.

[orgasmo]

is,ent there supposed to be an animated story playing throughout this years run to.:confused: or has this idea been scrapped.:(

[drterror666]

They're making an animated series that should be on BBC1 in the afternoons soon.

[john]

The new series is starting in less than an hour...

How long will the usual whinging negativity begin to kick in???

[WilsonBros]

It IS a bitch that RTD iddn't bring back the Sontarans, prefering to create his own look-a-likes. Wouldn't it be funny if the creator of the Sontarans (if he's still about) decided to take legal action over the similarity.... ;)

If RTD decided to put them in the first episode to try out these new bad guys, would this tecnically be The Judoon Experiment...?

THE WILSON BROS

[Johnny_Alucard]

It IS a bitch that RTD iddn't bring back the Sontarans, prefering to create his own look-a-likes. Wouldn't it be funny if the creator of the Sontarans (if he's still about) decided to take legal action over the similarity.... ;)

If RTD decided to put them in the first episode to try out these new bad guys, would this tecnically be The Judoon Experiment...?

THE WILSON BROS

Let the whinging begin, I say! The Sontarans were created by Doctor Who's finest writer, the late and very great Robert Holmes...as expected, RTD has created a tedious, watered down facsmile of that warlord race to satisfy his ego; where is Field Major Styre, when you need him? Calling the episode 'Smith and Jones' - how amusing...I think 'Morons from Outer Space' would have been better! Hehehe...and a consultant called Stoker being killed by an intergalactic vampiric criminal...what wit! A fetching new sidekick certainly, but surely the most unconvincing medical student ever...she made Jo Grant look like Einstein at times...to be fair though, this stuff is OK for young children after mild scares and some comedy adventure or those unfamiliar with the show's golden age...but others beware! From the trailer, the Shakespeare episode next week looks good...but how often have people on this thread said that before?

[Grant]

I really enjoyed it. A lot tighter than previous series debuts and the Judoon were pretty cool.

I wouldn't watch any more episodes Johnny. Remember your blood pressure! :D

[DJM]

It introduced the new companion well enough I guess but it was quite average (at best) otherwise.

[Mojo]

Fair enough start to the series and certainly better than the opening episode to the previous series.

Totally agree that the Sontarans should have been the villains here, but still a fairly enjoyable episode, even if it did fizzle out a bit towards the end. Ok start.

[NPC]

the Judoon costumes were a waste of a good redesign for Sontarans (heads excepted) but Sontarans wouldn't have fulfilled the plot function of mercenary law enforcement. The series still has the problem of going at too fast a pace to fit into 42 minutes, the first few minutes were so rapidly edited they were impossible to follow

[richward]

It was OK. Was it just me or did the whole thing look really cheap? Maybe it was the music which thundered away and seemed to belong to totally different programme. Freema I thought did alright but her family were about as interesting as the last lot of hangers-on. I also thought Roy Marsden and Anne Reid were wasted. Tennant not as annoying but I could have done without all that shoe business.

[drterror666]

I must admit that I quite enjoyed it, although I think it's because I'm used to what RTD delivers now. Would the Sontarans have worked as mercenaries? Maybe they could have worked a Rutan into the episode for us old Whovians! Anyway, I thought the Judoon were great and I never realised that New Rock boots were available on other planets ;)

I take it people were listening and watching for anything with the word Saxon in it? The SHO on the radio was saying how Mr Saxon had been right all the time. Plus there were Vote Saxon posters on the wall. I can't wait until the final episodes where we find out that Mr Saxon is.... DI Sam Tyler!

[christats]

16 hours since it was on.Looks like alot has got passed caring and either dosn't watch or just sit back and accept that its not going to be the same as in the 60's,
70's and early 80's.
I don't want to be a moaning minnie as R.T.D has labelled the internet forum discussers in a Metro interview.

I wasn't disapointed with last night's episode.
It was everything I expected.
Lots of crash bang wallop.Lots of frantic running.Aspects that didn't tie in with the old series.
A sidekick who acted essentially the same as Billie Piper,unless they write better dialogue.
David Tennant staring and gurning and jumping about.
Was it great.Not by a long shot.
Did it seem good because of the utter drivel surrounding it and on the other terrestial channels,probably.

Same again then.I haven't been too negative.?

[Vaughan]

When are they going to get back to have sidekicks in mini-skirts - standing around looking pretty?

Last night was alright, nothing to make me want to watch next week though.

[christats]

She is supposed to be a medical student.Andy Pandy dungerees as worn by S.J.Smith,or a chav miniskirt nice,but wouldn't suit the character.Or the political correct.
I just hope that Martha's family and chav girlfriend do not feature too much.
Only to explain the reason why her b*ggering off in the Tardis wasn't a difficult one.
I didn't mind Martha as a sidekick.She seemed a bit wooden and emotionless but that might be down to the script.
Why intergalactic police have to suck an hospital up to find an alien criminal rather than go undercover and come down to find....:confused:

Big spaceships,ignorant and rules and regulations the Judoon are Vogons in disguise.
The earth etc being saved by pulling a plug out more often than not,is the main copout of this re-imagining.

[WilsonBros]

Anyone want or care to hear our crackpot theory on the "Mister Saxon" thing...?

THE WILSON BROS

[Punk Rich]

If anyone cares the hospital that the crowd scene exteriors were shot was my place of work.

Thought not.

[orgasmo]

my own crackpot theory is the master turns out to be doctor whos son.:D
I would not put it past them.:rolleyes:

[Vaughan]

--a chav miniskirt nice,but wouldn't suit the character.Or the political correct.--

Time to get a new character then. The half naked girlie was 50% of the reason guys used to watch the show. :D

[WilsonBros]

Our crackpot theory is as follows...

There have been five incarnations of The Master so far - or one two are a bit tenuous, but they are as follows...

1) The Meddling Monk from the Hartnell era, played by Carry On stalwart, Peter Butterworth, though this is mainly fan speculation about him actually being The Master.
2) The first actual incarnation - Roger Delgado in the Pertwee era
3) The nearly-dead incarnation from The Deadly Assassin
4) The Anthony Ainley incarnation from the Baker-McCoy era
5) The Paul McGann TV movie Master, played by Eric Roberts

Meaning that Mister Saxon is an anagram for Master no. six

We could be wrong, but there you go! ;)

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

I was hoping Mr Saxon would be Biff Byfford,making an appearance after his band's fortunes were resurrected on some CH4 reality type program called Get your act together.
The anagram is more feasable.It won't dent my enjoyment of the program.
I will just sit back and "enjoy" it for what it is.

I am watching the repeat on BBC3 at the moment.Has my opinion changed.Its a CGI pantomine.
Probably why it may look cheap.CGI overkill.

[Mojo]

my own crackpot theory is the master turns out to be doctor whos son.:D
I would not put it past them.:rolleyes:

Didn't the Doctor mention that he had a brother in this first episode?...

Nice theory from the Wilson Bros, by the way. :)

[H P Saucecraft]

She is supposed to be a medical student.Andy Pandy dungerees as worn by S.J.Smith,or a chav miniskirt nice,but wouldn't suit the character.Or the political correct.

**** the politically correct! :D

[WillHay]

It was OK. Was it just me or did the whole thing look really cheap? Maybe it was the music which thundered away and seemed to belong to totally different programme. Freema I thought did alright but her family were about as interesting as the last lot of hangers-on. I also thought Roy Marsden and Anne Reid were wasted. Tennant not as annoying but I could have done without all that shoe business.

I agree. It looked cheap as hell, with terrible music chundering away.

Storywise, it was the pure RTD: bits and pieces cobbled together from other stories, and still uncertain if it's a Drama, sitcom or out and out slapstick. The shoe scene was just out of place and pointless, as is RTD - some of the highs it reached in the first season (Empty Child, Dalek) seem a long way from this sub-McCoy drivel.

It needed canned laughter, and should be on at 5:05 on thursdays. This isn't a family show, it's a pure, out and out kid's show - except most kids shows are far better than this (i.e Demon Headmaster.) and don't insult its audience.

[WillHay]

16 hours since it was on.Looks like alot has got passed caring and either dosn't watch or just sit back and accept that its not going to be the same as in the 60's,
70's and early 80's.
I don't want to be a moaning minnie as R.T.D has labelled the internet forum discussers in a Metro interview.

I wasn't disapointed with last night's episode.
It was everything I expected.
Lots of crash bang wallop.Lots of frantic running.Aspects that didn't tie in with the old series.
A sidekick who acted essentially the same as Billie Piper,unless they write better dialogue.
David Tennant staring and gurning and jumping about.
Was it great.Not by a long shot.
Did it seem good because of the utter drivel surrounding it and on the other terrestial channels,probably.

Same again then.I haven't been too negative.?


Yeah, I thought the new girl was just the same as Rose...
The BBC need a script editor on this show - it's frankly embarassing, like the work of an amateur! How did someone so talentless get into this position?

[christats]

Luvvies stick together.
I bought the Sun/Scum this morning on a day off with not much better to do.
It has a picture of Dr Who marrying Cheryl off the Royal Family.
Is she going to do a Diana Rigg ala James Bond.?
We can't be having this.(I don't care really.)

[richward]

Dr Who marrying Cheryl from 'The Royle Family' is a re-write by Paul Cornell of his Virgin New Adventure 'Human Nature' where the 7th Doc has amnesia, becomes a schoolteacher in an English village and falls in love. There are aliens. It's Russell's favourite apparently.

[orgasmo]

so hes ripped it from someone elses ideas.:confused:
threres a new one.:D

[drterror666]

The Doctor getting married? F**k off! He'd only do that if he was on drugs or something!

[richward]

Should clarify, Paul Cornell wrote the novel and he's also written the episodes. But all at Russell's request.

[christats]

The Doctor getting married? F**k off! He'd only do that if he was on drugs or something!

The latest incarnation of Who rivals Tom Baker in the lets burn a hole in the screen with a stare.
He jumps around alot and has been known to have outbursts of fast speaking.

So some of the stories are based on the requests of Russell T Davies,requesting that they be taken from novels that he had requested the writing of.

[Grant]

First Johnny now Will's back! Its just like old times :D

[richward]

Sorry, Russell didn't commission the novel but comissioned Paul Cornell who wrote it to 'adapt' it for the show.

[christats]

I noticed that in Play's description of Timelash that it says,

"this 2 part adventure stars Colin Baker as the titular Timelord."
the titular bit is reason for buying.

[Grant]

Peri sure had beautiful bazongas. :D Umgawa!

[Grant]

I thought that was a cracking episode tonight. This looks like the best series yet so far.

[richward]

It was OK, but I got really fed up of the constant quotations and all the 'I must save this for my play' schtik. Music a bit better this week, but I don't know it was just....meh.

[Johnny_Alucard]

On this plus side, this episode looked good and wasn't written by RTD, but 'Shakespeare in Love' with an SF slant this wasn't! The idea at its heart was a good one - a form of science based around the use of words rather than numbers, but as usual, it was just thrown away! Agree with the tiresome running joke about giving the Bard quotes before he'd written them -barely funny once, but after the 10th time! Did find it amusing that the Doc had to refer to the 'Back to the Future' series to explain some concepts, it's almost as if the writer was admitting that those films were how this genre should be done for a mainstream audience. Is it me or is the stunning Miss Jones starting to grate already and we're only into episode two? To hopefully not sound too sexist, you just wish she'd stand around silently looking good rather than just being an irritating whinger...

[christats]

I sit myself down at 7.00 pm,it gets going and I think this could be promising.
By the time I get about 25 mins in,the thought in my mind is this all there is.
It happens every episode bar 2 or 3 from the 1st "new" series and the 2nd.
Martha is getting annoying,then I see a shot of her walking away from the camera with tight jeans on.

[WillHay]

On this plus side, this episode looked good and wasn't written by RTD, but 'Shakespeare in Love' with an SF slant this wasn't! The idea at its heart was a good one - a form of science based around the use of words rather than numbers, but as usual, it was just thrown away! Agree with the tiresome running joke about giving the Bard quotes before he'd written them -barely funny once, but after the 10th time! Did find it amusing that the Doc had to refer to the 'Back to the Future' series to explain some concepts, it's almost as if the writer was admitting that those films were how this genre should be done for a mainstream audience. Is it me or is the stunning Miss Jones starting to grate already and we're only into episode two? To hopefully not sound too sexist, you just wish she'd stand around silently looking good rather than just being an irritating whinger...


I thought it was OK, far better than RTD's attempts. Some points:

* Story was the same as Unquiet Dead
* Lacked any real menace or atmosphere
* References to Harry Potter were baffling to anyone who hasn't read HP and also poorly done.
* New girl is just the same as Rose.

Of most interest to me was the fact that it was filmed partly in Coventry, so I spent some time trying to work out which old buildings were the ones they used here!

[WillHay]

I noticed that in Play's description of Timelash that it says,

"this 2 part adventure stars Colin Baker as the titular Timelord."
the titular bit is reason for buying.

Am I missing something? Titular just means someone with a title, i.e. Doctor...

[christats]

Of most interest to me was the fact that it was filmed partly in Coventry, so I spent some time trying to work out which old buildings were the ones they used here!

Has it changed much,when I was refering to titular I was just thinking of the first 3 letters.
Not a reference to Colin Baker,unless he has man boobs.

[Grant]

They rebuilt Coventry then? :D

[Mojo]

Enjoyable story, well written and beautifully filmed, but no real 'wow' factor in it for me. Still, thumbs up and certainly an improvement on the opener.

As last year, I don't think the series is really going to kick into gear until episode 4 ;)

[christats]

When was Mr Saxon first mentioned then.Was it on the newspaper that the absorbaloth was reading in the pinicle of series 2,Love and Monsters.
Or is there an earlier reference.
Has this been mentioned in this thread before,I can't be hassled looking at the moment.

Any way to recap episode 2.It were a duffer.Something that should have been on CBBC if it wasn't for the boistrous language by Mr Shakespeare and his calling of Martha.
So if the excitement is going to kick in,then lets hope its soon.
An Irish cat person,now thats a reason to watch ep.3.:eek:

[WillHay]

They rebuilt Coventry then? :D

They built something - it's a city, Jim, but not as we'd know it.

:)

At the moment it seems that they're quite busy demolishing not only stuff that was built after the war, but also stuff that's 10-15 years old. In ten years time, the place is going to look totally different. That's not a bad thing.:)

A couple of things going on:

www.friargatecoventry.co.uk
www.belgradeplaza.co.uk
www.ikea.co.uk/coventry

There're about 40 or so medieval buildings in the city centre, and a couple of these were used in the Dr Who episode. Although if you visit them, you find they're surrounded by grim 1960s buildings! The BBC did some creative editing and CGI to remove them!:)

[WillHay]

Has it changed much,when I was refering to titular I was just thinking of the first 3 letters.
Not a reference to Colin Baker,unless he has man boobs.

Ah I see...

Has Coventry changed much? Well it went through a bit of rough period in 1940 and 1941 thanks to the Nazis. :mad: That was nothing compared to what the town planners and architects did to it afterwards.:mad:

[Johnny_Alucard]

after another disasterous half-baked episode tonight about traffic congestion, amongst other things, i'm so tempted to stop watching this dross, but then typically, they throw in a teaser for next week which involves new york gangsters, giant mutant pigs and daleks (again!) which dare i say it, actually looks fun...the producers are drinking at the last chance saloon now...or perhaps that should be speakeasy! lmao...

[WillHay]

after another disasterous half-baked episode tonight about traffic congestion, amongst other things, i'm so tempted to stop watching this dross, but then typically, they throw in a teaser for next week which involves new york gangsters, giant mutant pigs and daleks (again!) which dare i say it, actually looks fun...the producers are drinking at the last chance saloon now...or perhaps that should be speakeasy! lmao...


I agree 10% - a mish mash of ideas and stuff, with no real plot - some terrible dialogue... Rubbish, truly rubbish.

[orgasmo]

well it was written by russell t davies-every ep that guy writes is garbage.:(

[christats]

Well I will never stop watching,unless there is a BBC strike,a power cut,my TV packs in or someone puts up a fight in a footie match.
Call me a fool.I thought it was the best episode of a bad lot so far.
I am a fool.
Looking at bits of it it was dross.
Ardil Ohanlon basically George Sunday in cat form,2 old married hinge and bracketts.A reference that has no place in so called family entertainment,no matter how right on we are now,supposidly.
Shut your eyes and Freema Agyeman is a Billie Piper act alike and soundalike.A story that fizzled out to nothing again.
A traffic jam caused by crabs,the face of Bo saying what most were expecting.
Yet it didn't annoy me too much,I must have heat stroke.

[richward]

Feels very strange typing this, but I actually enjoyed last nights episode. I'd agree that the story didn't really go anywhere, Tennant again too shouty, and all the Time Lord stuff at the end, sorry, but it bores me. Don't care about his family, Gallifrey, not interested.

[drterror666]

I agree 10%

Only 10%, WillHay? You're getting soft!

For the record, I've been enjoying the series so far and I think that Gridlock was probably one of the better RTD penned episodes. The inclusion of the Macra was a bit of an excuse to bring back an old foe, though. I mean, how did they get to New Earth?

The Face of Bo is dead, then. Of course, that thing he told the Doctor at the end about him not being alone was a bit weird though. He's apparently lived for millennia and on his death, he gives the Doctor that one 'secret'. Er...

But, he's not alone, because somewhere out there is... DI Sam Tyler!

[christats]

Maybe the Face of Boe is the missing face of Michael Jackson singing You are not alone.
Quick summary so far.....
Ep.1 was rediculous and contained a new monster too similar to an old classic.

Ep 2 got on my wick abit,it started off alright and amounted to nothing.

Ep 3 as a piece of Sci Fi was feeble,but didn't drag and the CGI looked or suited better.

[Mojo]

RTD revisits New Earth, which wasn't a very interesting story in the first place. The Face Of Boe appears ( again ).

Nice surprise to bring back the Macra - but they never really did anything.

Boring.

[christats]

Anyone seen the next,(I think?) cover for the Radio Times.

If its the one I have found while surfing it is a major spoiler for the end of Episode 4.
Another corruption/evolvement of a classic enemy.

Today against my better judgement I bought Survival on DVD.
I had a bit of spare and having not seen virtually any of the McCoy era and it being the last till the McGann film I thought,what the hell.

The only bit of the McCoy era I had seen was bits with Bonnie Langford,enough to make me dismiss the era.

Well I put it in tonight.Feeble story with cat people who look like a cross between Bet Lynch and Ewoks.Decent looking set of extras as usual.

On the plus side Sophie Aldred looks nice,Anthony Ainley was ok and if I ignored Sylvester McCoy's portrayal it was a time passer.
It all came across as a CBBC story written by someone on drugs.

The only other story I have watched with him was Curse of Fenric.I might even get Rememberance and Ghost Light to pass the time while more T.Baker releases appear.

[drterror666]

Anyone seen the next,(I think?) cover for the Radio Times.

If its the one I have found while surfing it is a major spoiler for the end of Episode 4.
Another corruption/evolvement of a classic enemy.

Well, I don't suppose they could have Davros, so they've created something new. It always makes me wonder why the Daleks need a leader at all. Shouldn't they be bombing around in Dalek Saucers destroying everything they can, with no worry about leadership and all that?

[christats]

I always thought Bruno off corrie with the hole in his head would turn out to be Davros.
Daleks without a leader being chaotic would be undefeatable.
Nothing can deal with anarchy.
With a leader it creates the pantomine banter,of I will exterminate you after a ten minute arguement,instead of blast on site giving the opertunity to whip out the sonic screwdriver or rig up an explosive or reverse the polarity on the Tardis.

Or pull a plug out as happened in the new Who,once or twice.

[christats]

Edit............

me again,I got round to watching The Invasion DVD tonight.
Having no experience of Patrick Troughton till watching The 2,3 and 5 doctors and this,he is one of the best.
Maybe Mind Robber later this week as well.
Its obviously annoying that ep 1 and 4 have to be animated,how could the BBC have such short sightedness about wiping some of one of the most important Sci Fi programs.

Abit long winded,and obviously in glorious grainy B&W,but The Invasion is a goodie,I also noted that the Cybermen talk in this like robots with a cold.So I retract that critisizm of the new Cybermen.

I was going to watch the extras,maybe later.Tom Baker is still the DR I grew up with but Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee are not far behind.

[Dracucarr]

I am not a RTD Who fan but have still watched every Who episode. The 3 episodes of the new series are the strongest openings yet. The main reason for liking this a little, but not a lot, more is the fact that this new sidekick isn't as sickly as the ghastly Piper. In fact it is the Doctor who is far more sentimental this time around. Oh and is Rose going to be mentioned in every episode? Episode 1 was ok, episode 2 had some entertaining moments and I enjoyed the the neverending traffic congestion of the last episode. However, halfway in the boredom consistently begins. Mushy peas are still on the menu, but they at least aren't digested by such a sickly character as formerly played by Billie Piper (how is she so popular when so bad?)

[Grant]

Its the size of her gob and the connotations I think. :D

[H P Saucecraft]

I wouldn't know what you mean, Grant :D

[WilsonBros]

RTS has evidently watched Highlander II again recently, judging by the ending of Gridlock.

The Invasion IS a great story, and has a great villian in Tobias Vaughn.

Oh dear - next week they try and create a human/Dalek hybid - Doctor Who's been there, done that, bought the Colin Baker t-shirt.

THE WILSON BROS

[Grant]

You bought a Colin Baker t-shirt? Shame on you oh Wilsons! :D

[christats]

After the New Beginings in January and Survival,and the upcoming Robot and Timelash.

Just had a quick butchers at Play.com.Tegan Tales £27.99 in July.Is this a box set of stories containing Tegan? imminent.
Edit..... Black Guardian Trilogy perhaps.?
I want some more bl**dy Troughton,Pertwee and T.Baker.:(

[WilsonBros]

Chris - we would LOVE some more Troughton, as he's our favourite Doctor, but as there are only three complete stories left to release, they are going to be spreading these out as much as possible.

We DID hear a strong rumour that they are going to be keeping Pat's swansong, the 10 part epic The War Games, until the 40th anniversary in 2009. Bummer. :(

2Entertain have been appealing for anyone who can do a Mary Whitehouse impersonation to get in touch with them, as they are after someone to read out the infamous letter of complaint that she wrote in response to an episode of The Deadly Assassin. This, coupled with the fact that The Master is coming back, makes for a pretty strong indication that this story is going to be released on DVD fairly soon.

THE WILSON BROS

[WilsonBros]

You bought a Colin Baker t-shirt? Shame on you oh Wilsons! :D

We prefer him to Pertwee or Davidson. C Baker just happened to get lumbered with a load of crap scripts (barring one or two gems) and a ghastly outfit (which he LOATHED - he wanted something that harkened back to Hartnell's black & white Victorian look)

THE WILSON BROS

[Grant]

I'm no big fan of Davison but Pertwee trumps in Colin Baker's face almost every time for me. The Curse of Peladon I think is marvellous.

[christats]

Deadly Assassin I want,I can't do the crabby old cow.Hope its because that story is appearing on DVD.
I had read about the 3 remaining complete Troughton stories,unless an Ice Warriors with fillers happens as well.

It appears that a Davidson box set is appearing soon,what else can "Tegan Tales" be.? and they would be linked stories? or why a box set.? Black Guardian,what else.?

[WilsonBros]

2Entertain are also supposedly accepting fan-made animation jobs for "lost" episodes. It will be interesting to look at some of the results.

BTW, Doctor Who uber-fan Ian Levine is currently working on his own animated version of Pat Troughton's first story, Power of the Daleks, which will be presented as closely as possible to the version that was broadcast over 30 years ago.

Many of Pertwee's exile stories were overlong and frankly boring.

THE WILSON BROS

[Mark Y]

2Entertain have been appealing for anyone who can do a Mary Whitehouse impersonation to get in touch with them, as they are after someone to read out the infamous letter of complaint that she wrote in response to an episode of The Deadly Assassin.THE WILSON BROS

Who did her voice on Spitting Image...? Steve Nallon or someone else? It sounded pretty good to me.

[Dracucarr]

Many of Pertwee's exile stories were overlong and frankly boring.

THE WILSON BROS

Had you enjoyed more of Pertwee's stories would you have liked him as the doctor a lot more? Pertwee was always my favourite and I was gutted come the end of Planet of the Spiders. Great replacement though.

[WilsonBros]

Not really - even the production was against the exile concept and the longer stories, but there was nothing they could do about them.

Speaking of Planet of the Spiders - surely you can't forget that almost pornographic chase sequence that took up practically the whole of the second or third episode? If ever there was an example of pandering to the whims of the star...

A very telling thing about Pertwee was that he kept appealing to the writers to give his Doctor more charm. Charm isn't something that can really be written, it has to come from the actor. It's STILL funny to watch The Three Doctors, as you can visibly see Pertwee's nose wrinkle every time Patrick Troughton upstages him with no effort whatsoever.

THE WILSON BROS

[Dracucarr]

Pertwee was mainly always Pertwee in his appearances whether in film or TV, but I still enjoyed his roles (The Avengers, Carry On Screaming, House That Dripped Blood etc). I liked his lisp and the dry wit that came out of it. He was just madness to me and his big white hair and running about will always be one of my fondest set of TV memories. I never looked at that sequence as pornographic mind you, but maybe with a revisit I will get even more enjoyment if that is the case ;)

Anyone notice Donald Pleasence's facially challenged daughter Angela in Doctor Who as the Queen in ep 2? The teeth gave her away. Hopefully as she recognised the doc and he didn't it will mean she'll feature in a later episode. Angela P is a strange actress, but I like her work and almost hypnotic performances. I don't watch Emmerdale, but the skinny one that works in the post office looks awfully like her.

[WilsonBros]

Angela P. was great as The Ghost Of Christmas Past in the George C Scott version of A Christmas Carol - something we watch every Christmas Eve.

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

I watched the extras on the 3 Doctors the other day.One of which was a 25 min appearance Jon Pertwee did with Katy Manning at some convention in 93.
He was fairly amusing but a bit spikey with it.

I don't mind Pertwee's era,but alot of patience is needed.
After watching abit of them all now,its got to be T.Baker and Patrick Troughton for me.

[WilsonBros]

Pertwee was always considered a bit on the snippy side - we have speculated that some of the crew might have had a word with some of the writers and conspired to come up with names for adversaries that were decidedly sibiliant in nature...

Silurians, Sea Devils, Sontarons, Stegasaurases, etc.

Good job he didn't have to face the Cybermen... :p

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

The "Tegan Tales" box set out 30th July according to Play,contains Timeflight,Arc of Infinity and Snakedance according to Outpost Gallifrey.

Whoopie.:rolleyes:

(although I wouldn't mind watching Snakedance having just watched Kinda on VHS.)

[WilsonBros]

The "Tegan Tales" box set... contains Timeflight, Arc of Infinity and Snakedance

Oh dear - it's pretty odd haveing a box-set based on one of the companions. We really weren't fans of the Davidson era anyway.

A copy of Survival turned up this morning - Jesus, it's got some great extras on it!

THE WILSON BROS

[drterror666]

The "Tegan Tales" box set out 30th July according to Play,contains Timeflight,Arc of Infinity and Snakedance

Tegan Tales? WTF next? Steven's Stories? Adric's Epics? The mind boggles! I too wasn't a big fan of Peter Davison, although things did get interesting when Peri turned up ;)

[christats]

I'd buy a Peri's Puppies box set.

I have watched Survival,having bought it the other day.(money to burn.)

Very mediocre story,watched one of the docu's on the cancelation and what if.Extra's are far better than the main item.

[Johnny_Alucard]

It does seem rather sad that the Beeb are having the gall to release 10th rate unpopular 'Who' stories (well, with most fans anyway), with what's got to be the most annoying female companion probably ever! Then again they're assuming that Janet Fielding's annoying Aussie air hostess Tegan Jovanka will be appealing to those who find the new companions appealing - well personality wise anyway (and in that context I mean 'loud and grating'), the new 'Miss Jones' looks good, but shouldn't speak and shatter the aesthetic illusion...must admit a Perpugilliam Brown set would be fun, as Nicola Bryant was the most fetching assistant ever...did watch 'The 3 Doctors' last night and forgot that Pat Troughton had a terrific comic gift, far funnier than any of David Tennant's lame efforts...and a come to think of it, a Katy Manning - Jo Grant - set wouldn't come amiss either...and the stories were great too...RTD please listen for once...please...!!!

[christats]

I haven't watched Patrick Troughton's incarnation until I watched the 3,5 doctors and Invasion on DVD.

Of the few clips I had seen I thought he was a bit stuffy like Hartnell and Pertwee.
Got to agree,far from it.
The BBC probably have to release a mix of duffers and good stories,if they left all the less regarded ones till last then no one would buy.
They are pandering to the likes of me,who will buy duff Who to tide me over while the next good release.
For me which is Robot.

Outpost Gallifrey seem to have taken the Tegan Tales details off the website,maybe they were jumping the gun.Might be still on Play with no details though.

[WilsonBros]

Pat Troughton (at least in his surviving stories) gave his best performance in Tomb of the Cybermen.

His comedic skills were never sharper, he displays his authoritarian side and he also shows the warm & affectionate side to his personality. Troughton's Doctor was also seemingly fallible, very occasionally getting things wrong and having momentary panic attacks, but it was this fallible and (dare we say it?) human side that really allowed the audience to connect with that particular Doctor.

It's nice to be optimistic, but we don't honestly think that any more Troughton (or Hartnell for that matter) missing episodes are going to turn up - it's just a real bummer that supposedly excellent stories such as Evil of the Daleks & Fury From The Deep are only going to exist in audio form. :(

THE WILSON BROS

[mrb]

Tonight we get pig-men in 1930's NY sewers.....huzzah.

I've jiggled my wires and can get Dr Who on my freeview box now, sounds like a dvd.

[WillHay]

I didn't think tonight's was that bad. The ending, however, just had me in hysterics... Looked so stupid. And the Martha character just spouts the same crap dialogue as Rose.

[Johnny_Alucard]

By the low standards set by the RTD era, this was halfway decent, although there always seem to be stumbling bloacks and echos from other better stories, both Who and other classics, The Island of Dr Moreau especially in this case - and some of the US accents were a bit ropey to say the least...not bad then, but could do better! See what next week brings...

[Mojo]

Thought this was the best episode so far, by a mile. Good story, good dialogue, no 'in your face' electronic 'incidental' music, topped by a great understated performance from David Tennant.

It didn't start off great, but definitely got better and better as it went along, leading to a terrific cliffhanger ( which RTD had spoiled, courtesy of the Radio Times ).

Compare this to the previous week's RTD penned episode. No competition. This was real Dr Who. Great stuff. :)

[mrb]

The pigs where pretty scary. Like something out of a horror film. Groovy.
At least it wasn't a rushed ending, and i thought the spats and jelly fish thing was fun. The assistant is a darn sight better looking than Billy Piper (a creation of the jim henson workshop).

The pigs.....has anyone got kids who saw this and where scared? :eek:

[WillHay]

I thought the cliffhanger was terrible... Me and the wife were laughing at the terrible rubber mask and the rubbish accent...

Please... Good dialogue? It's awful... cliched, the terrible sentimental stuff from Rose... sorry, Martha, and the lame attempts at "oh does he like me". Gack. It's like the work of a schoolkid. And the terrible revelation scene with the jellyfish thing - truly terrible writing. Can't they come up with some better ways of getting the plot advanced than this?

Aside from that, it was OK - didn't find the pigs scary, just comical. I don't think it worked. Far scarier would have been some sort of "roboman" like in the old Dr Who... the pig things just seemed to be there for the sake of it...

[mrb]

Yeah the pig mutants are random lol.

They scared me. It was the boiler suits that capped it, and that sad one that cowered in the corner....shudder.

[christats]

Episode 4 did nothing for me whatsoever.
I have stated before,that shut the eyes and Martha is Rose.A more wooden less emotional version.

I keep expecting her character to develop,but as yet it hasn't happened.Down to a combination of inadequate character writing and limited acting,is it.?

I couldn't do a program like this obviously.You would think after watching Dr Who confidential,
(as I wanted to avoid the Joseph and Grease abominations.) that the number of muppets involved might come up with something half decent.
When you have got someone at the helm who makes Adric seem butch then its bound to be wishy washy piffle.

I will keep watching,not because I want to.I am worried I might miss the good bit in the 13 episodes,and everything else on the TV at this time is worse.

(Why don't I get Sky or stick a DVD in.?I want to slump infront of the TV thats why.)

(I haven't had a bad day before anyone accuses.)

[orgasmo]

I liked it-well up until the last few seconds when the 50s rubber movie monster showed up anyway.:rolleyes:
if you thoght russell t davies was takeing the piss then just wait till you read this.:eek:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/showbiz/showbiz2.shtml
News of the World: Showbiz

it could be all bull of course,we can but hope.:(

[christats]

Any tension built up was lost with a hybrid that was less scary than the City of Death Monster.

I have already read the News of The World rag.Someone in the family buys,it.Not me.

Having one of his icons in it is he.?,Oh what have I just said.

[drterror666]

Well, I think S3 is shaping up to be the best season yet. I have been more or less enjoying the episodes so far, although I'd never buy the DVD. I thought last night's episode was the best one yet. I still don't understand the problem with Martha though. She's better than Piper and hasn't, imo, gone into theatre school mode once yet.

The hybrid was a bit crap, though.

[mrb]

The 'hybrid' was grrreeeeat!

It was wearing spats!

It spoke like Stephen Hawking even though it was out of it's digi-box!

It had a pound of snot on it's head!

....and....IT WAS WEARING SPATS!!!

Complete genius. Loved it.

[christats]

Snot and Spats,easily pleased.

There are other programs that give Dr Who a false sense of being good.
Any Dream Will Do and Grease is the Word.
Does the general public want 2 programs such as these,on the 2 main channels,at the same time.

Just pick a fooking singer and don't make a 10 week issue out of it.
I am so angry I want to write to Whats On TV.

Anyway back on track.Every old episode I have watched is better than the 3 new series.Or at least more entertaining.
I am not an old grouch who thinks they don't make 'em like they used to.

[Mojo]

I thought the cliffhanger was terrible... Me and the wife were laughing at the terrible rubber mask and the rubbish accent...

Please... Good dialogue? It's awful... cliched, the terrible sentimental stuff from Rose... sorry, Martha, and the lame attempts at "oh does he like me". Gack. It's like the work of a schoolkid. And the terrible revelation scene with the jellyfish thing - truly terrible writing. Can't they come up with some better ways of getting the plot advanced than this?

Aside from that, it was OK - didn't find the pigs scary, just comical. I don't think it worked. Far scarier would have been some sort of "roboman" like in the old Dr Who... the pig things just seemed to be there for the sake of it...

I honestly don't know why you watch the show any more, Will! If I hate a programme, I don't watch it. Eastenders is a load of shit. Therefore I don't watch it. The End. :D

[Mojo]

Snot and Spats,easily pleased.Anyway back on track.Every old episode I have watched is better than the 3 new series.Or at least more entertaining.
I am not an old grouch who thinks they don't make 'em like they used to.

I love the old series, too. At its best, it was unbeatable.

As for monsters, I remember the City Of Death monster being some spaghetti with an eye in the middle ( a bit like the Dalek hybrid, I guess :D )

Some of the 'old' monsters were terrific. The Zygons in particular were absolutely fantastic. Bring 'em back! :cool:

[Grant]

I've literally given up the thread Mojo. Same grouching every bloody week. I enjoy it and so do the kids so stuff em. :D

[WillHay]

I honestly don't know why you watch the show any more, Will! If I hate a programme, I don't watch it. Eastenders is a load of shit. Therefore I don't watch it. The End. :D


Um, I thought it was OK, I didn't hate it, but the dialogue and some aspects of it are generally very poor. I tend to hate the RTD episodes - he's a shit writer - and this looked like it'd had his editorial hand on it - especially with the terrible dialogue.

[WillHay]

Snot and Spats,easily pleased.

There are other programs that give Dr Who a false sense of being good.
Any Dream Will Do and Grease is the Word.
Does the general public want 2 programs such as these,on the 2 main channels,at the same time.

Just pick a fooking singer and don't make a 10 week issue out of it.
I am so angry I want to write to Whats On TV.

Anyway back on track.Every old episode I have watched is better than the 3 new series.Or at least more entertaining.
I am not an old grouch who thinks they don't make 'em like they used to.

I'm getting fed up with shows that the public have to vote someone to do something. Truly TV for twits.

[Dracucarr]

Well it was watchable, but nothing special as always. A positive is that nowhere in the episode was their a mention of Rose. I do like David Tennant mind and would enjoy seeing him given decent material to work with.

[christats]

I've literally given up the thread Mojo. Same grouching every bloody week. I enjoy it and so do the kids so stuff em. :D

I am looking forward to the rest of the series.I want to love it,when it happens its always an anti-climax.

Don't give up on the thread,one week I might say its the best bit of TV I have seen since sliced bread.

As for old episodes,Just watched Terror of The Zygons,Seeds of Doom and the first 2 of the E-Space trilogy.

[WilsonBros]

Daleks In Manhattan was a mess.

The pig hybrids were Robomen by any other name. The Phantom of the Opera subplot could be seen coming a mile off and the climax was laughable.

People might scoff at the Jagaroth (the bad guy in City of Death), but that was nearly 30 years ago, but it had a DAMN good story to back it up with.

In just one episode, the Daleks have been transformed from interesting & exciting to tiresome and laughable. There's just no sense of excitement in them anymore. It's probably because they have got a leader figure and the same thing has happened now that happened when they introduced Davros in the original series.

On the positive side, David Tennant seems to have been pumped full of Ritalin, planing off some of the more irritating aspects of his performance from series two, and he's all the better for it.

I'm hoping that things will improve after they get this silly Dalek story out of the way, though I hope to Christ that when The Master returns at the end of the series, he's not revealed to be The Doctor's brother, which has been vaguely hinted at...

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

I never poo pooed the Jagaroth,its just a pity his real neck can be seen in alot of scenes.
I always got the impression that daleks were black or white,so to speak.
Either something was of no consequence or was exterminated.
The way these 4 were bickering,it was almost a domestic at times.

After the Kylie revelation,Jason Donovan wants to play the Doctor according to digital spy forum.

There is a vast gulf between want and considered thankfully/(hopefully.)

[Johnny_Alucard]

Daleks In Manhattan was a mess.

The pig hybrids were Robomen by any other name. The Phantom of the Opera subplot could be seen coming a mile off and the climax was laughable.

People might scoff at the Jagaroth (the bad guy in City of Death), but that was nearly 30 years ago, but it had a DAMN good story to back it up with.

In just one episode, the Daleks have been transformed from interesting & exciting to tiresome and laughable. There's just no sense of excitement in them anymore. It's probably because they have got a leader figure and the same thing has happened now that happened when they introduced Davros in the original series.

On the positive side, David Tennant seems to have been pumped full of Ritalin, planing off some of the more irritating aspects of his performance from series two, and he's all the better for it.

I'm hoping that things will improve after they get this silly Dalek story out of the way, though I hope to Christ that when The Master returns at the end of the series, he's not revealed to be The Doctor's brother, which has been vaguely hinted at...

THE WILSON BROS


I believe that in the '70s when the Master was first introduced, the original plan was for the Master to be eventually revealed as the Doctor's brother, but this was scrapped following the death of Roger Delgado in a car accident whilst on holiday, and in later manifestations, was never hinted at...so I can understand why the new writers are going in that direction, if it's true...must admit it would seem quite a lame device nowadays though - quite fitting for this half-baked incarnation....

[WilsonBros]

They also had this planned for the Paul McGann movie, though thankfully they relented. Frankly it was amazing that the US TV movie turned out the way it did - the only serious cock-ups included the revelation that The Doctor is half human and that the Eye of Harmony is in the TARDIS (it's on Gallifrey).

THE WILSON BROS

[Dracucarr]

Dr Poo again last night. How can we wring out more emotion using the daleks? Hmm, lets make human nature take over, add some sad music and cheesy dialogue on how wonderful it is for a dalek to feel like a human. Sorry, he/it should have been exterminated right at the beginning. The doc is far too emotional now and Martha Jones' crush is like an irritating Tara King on John Steed thing. He only has eyes for Rose! That last sentence sends a chill down my spine. Get rid of all this emotion and focus on sci-fi and horror.The fact that Martha's family is in it next week fills me with dread.

[WillHay]

Dr Poo again last night. How can we wring out more emotion using the daleks? Hmm, lets make human nature take over, add some sad music and cheesy dialogue on how wonderful it is for a dalek to feel like a human. Sorry, he/it should have been exterminated right at the beginning. The doc is far too emotional now and Martha Jones' crush is like an irritating Tara King on John Steed thing. He only has eyes for Rose! That last sentence sends a chill down my spine. Get rid of all this emotion and focus on sci-fi and horror.The fact that Martha's family is in it next week fills me with dread.

I thought the first episode of this 2 parter was OK, but thought last night's was an awful mish-mash of stuff nicked from other stories, and the human-dalek just sounded and looked stupid - like a squid crossed with a rastafarian, with all the corny emotional stuff creeping in. It wasn't as bad as the RTD stuff we've had this season, but still poorly written. I feel sorry for the actors, as they rarely have any interesting dialogue or depth of character, with the dialogue virtually the same. Tennant is just annoying, with all that high pitched stuff and his "speeches"... Ugh.

I didn't catch the end, as I fell asleep about 30 minutes in. The wonderful stuff from season One (Dalek, Empty Child, Unquiet Dead) now seems a long time ago...

You're not going to get Sci Fi and horror - the writers of the old series, certainly when it was at its peak, were very well read and appreciated the genres (Even if they did nick a lot of stuff form Nigel Kneale).

A lot of the new stuff seems to be written by people who haven't ever read or watched much SF and horror - in fact, people who don't seem to understand the difference between using ideas as "themes" in a story and nicking "ideas" to stop the story from flagging when a big explosion or exposition scene is required. Robots of Death may have been about robots, but you could replace them with something else and the story would have still worked. In fact I suspect a lot of the writers feel that they're writing beneath themselves with SF/Horror, as it comes across quite patronising.

[christats]

The only age group that seem to be openly talking about it in public when I have been out shopping etc are 7 or 8 year old girls.
Must like the doey eyed Martha.
Young lads don't seem to like it.Most near me seem happier hitting each other with sticks on the park.

Words fail me at the moment.I was hoping it was going to be better than a derrivative mish mash of sh*t.
With the two casting couch programs being on BBC 1 and ITV afterwards,I watched DR Who confidential.

Lots of work going into the CGI to recreate New York,blah blah,blah.They even went there to take pictures.

So is fancy CGI and gobbledygook better than cardboard sets and decent storylines.?

[WillHay]

So is fancy CGI and gobbledygook better than cardboard sets and decent storylines.?

Of course, not all of Old Dr Who was great - I struggle to sit through some stories, but the new stuff just seems like a cartoon.

I think I'd prefer the wobbly sets & monsters than the CGI - there seems to be a real lack of imagination with the monsters in the new series - Zygons, Mandrells, Sontarans, etc - all came with great back stories. Nothing in the new series has any depth to it.

(Although I still maintain that at least 3 stories from season one were classics)

[Johnny_Alucard]

Just been reading that Wales apparently has its own TV Baftas and 'Dr Who' and its spin offs won in 8 of its nominated 13 categories, with 'Torchwood' being voted best drama...the mind does boggle! Last night's episode ruined a half way decent first part thanks to some terrible and blatant ripping off of: 'War of the Worlds', with Solomon trying to make peace before being zapped, 'Frankenstein' and finally any zombie films you could mention - did like the throwaway reference to 'rels' in the countdown sequence as a nod to the unit for time measurement, which was used in 'Daleks Invasion Earth:2150A.D.', but when the daleks talked about minutes in the same sentence...oh dear! Next week's 'let's meet Martha's family' story is a disaster waiting to be unleashed, I think...I reckon it's maybe time for the Beeb to have a rethink...slick surface gloss is no substitute for decent storytelling...how about remaking lost and wiped stories, if the scripts still exist? Cant be any worse than this!

[orgasmo]

just because it wins loads of awards does not mean its any good.
it just means the rest of the programes are even worse-that or people really are getting dumber and will accept any old garbage as decent these days.:rolleyes:
remakeing old episodes would really upset the fans-I remember when the bloke who was quoted saying that he wanted to remake planet of the spiders with paul mcgann sent the fans into a frenzy until he said he had been misquoted and ment he wanted to do a sequal.;)
guess it was never ment to be.

[WilsonBros]

I watched the Loose Cannon recon of The Macra Terror this morning - great stuff and very refreshing. :)

I am firmly against the idea of remaking previous stories - even if they are "lost" ones. The possibilities for story ideas is damn-near infinite, so there's no need to rehash stories from the original series.

Kev W

[Mojo]

Again, a disappointing part two. How many times has this happened? The 'humanising' of the Dalek hybrid was predictable and the soppy music didn't help. It was ok, nothing else. I really wish we could have a 'darker' feel to some of these stories.

[Johnny_Alucard]

I watched the Loose Cannon recon of The Macra Terror this morning - great stuff and very refreshing. :)

I am firmly against the idea of remaking previous stories - even if they are "lost" ones. The possibilities for story ideas is damn-near infinite, so there's no need to rehash stories from the original series.

Kev W

i know the idea is indeed sacrilege to some, but surely it's better than the drivel we're forced into watching now? remaking old classics is indeed a bad idea, but to see stuff that's been lost forever in its original form, live again can't be a bad thing - admittedly, the 'Quatermass' and 'A for Andromeda' remakes yielded mixed results, but to return 'Who' to the multi-episode format is definitely the way to go, even if it's with new material...the problem is that there are no high calibre writers...correct that...there are decent writers, but none of them are proper 'Who' or 'SF' writers; most of them are fans and their episodes do come across like bad fan fiction...by the way, was reading somewhere that the BBC's license on them using the daleks courtesy of Terry Nation's estate has expired, hence their inclusion yet again in another mediocre story...

[WillHay]

i know the idea is indeed sacrilege to some, but surely it's better than the drivel we're forced into watching now? remaking old classics is indeed a bad idea, but to see stuff that's been lost forever in its original form, live again can't be a bad thing - admittedly, the 'Quatermass' and 'A for Andromeda' remakes yielded mixed results, but to return 'Who' to the multi-episode format is definitely the way to go, even if it's with new material...the problem is that there are no high calibre writers...correct that...there are decent writers, but none of them are proper 'Who' or 'SF' writers; most of them are fans and their episodes do come across like bad fan fiction...by the way, was reading somewhere that the BBC's license on them using the daleks courtesy of Terry Nation's estate has expired, hence their inclusion yet again in another mediocre story...

The problem is the different way BBC make TV now. In the 70s it was done on studios with multiple cameras and a live mixing desk. Scenes were done pretty much in one go, almost like theatre. These days it's made more in a much more cinematic style. And audiences, sadly, complain that "nothing happens" if we have dialogue. It has to be explosion severy five minutes.

[drterror666]

I really wish we could have a 'darker' feel to some of these stories.

It ain't gonna happen as long as RTD is at the helm. I know for a fact that he 'messed' with the script for the Dalek story. Originally it was going to be nastier and darker, but RTD reminded the script writer that Doctor Who is a children's TV serial. Yes, children's! I hope he's replaced one day.

Saying that, though, I actually didn't mind the Dalek two-parter. Sorry if that makes a few people throw up their dinners, but there you go. I just switch my brain off and watch the pictures unveiling before me. I've been enjoying this season better than the second, but I've got to agree with WillHay that the classics were in the first season, especially Dalek, which is my favourite episode of all.

[Dracucarr]

Up goes my dinner! :p

[dr death]

Shouldn't eat so fast Drac! Anyway what have I told you about that liquid diet of yours! :D

[christats]

Things I have heard this past few days.

That Kylie isn't going to be in the Christmas special as a cyberwoman,after all.

That,according to the Sun an actor from Jossey's Giants (spelling.?) is a possible replacement for David Tennant.Even though Tennant isn't or is leaving.At the end of season 3,midway through the 4th or after he has beaten Tom Baker's record.

That the episode after next called "42" which was going to be broadcast on the 12th May,is going to be postponed a week for the Eurovision songcontest.
Even though sh*t filler programs such Just For Laughs,and the insult to license payers Any Dreg will do are not affected.
Is this so R.T.Davies can watch his second favourite program,that don't clash with his favourites.I.e ones he's made.

That John Simm has basically spilled the beans on who he is playing on a Radio 4 interview this week.
"I am the Dr's Arch enemy,in a black number" or words to that effect.
Anne Robinson's coming back then is she.?

Blah,Blah,Blah.

[Dracucarr]

"Ruuuuuuuuuuuuun!" Does the Doc say that in every episode now? Hip hip hooray for Martha Jones though as she's no longer a passenger, but a companion :rolleyes:. Her mother has to be one of the most irritating Who characters! Mark Gatiss was good, but again the material was poor. I didn't enjoy this one at all.

[WillHay]

"Ruuuuuuuuuuuuun!" Does the Doc say that in every episode now? Hip hip hooray for Martha Jones though as she's no longer a passenger, but a companion :rolleyes:. Her mother has to be one of the most irritating Who characters! Mark Gatiss was good, but again the material was poor. I didn't enjoy this one at all.


I got fed up after 30 minutes - terrible storyline, no originality whatsoever, and some terrible dialogue... Why do these writers always stop the story for this cliched exposition stuff?

It didn't really have much of a story.

[Dracucarr]

I got fed up after 30 minutes - terrible storyline, no originality whatsoever, and some terrible dialogue... Why do these writers always stop the story for this cliched exposition stuff?

It didn't really have much of a story.

After 30 minutes it was over wasn't it. The End... oops! With 15 minutes left they realise this and bring Gatiss and his repetitive nude body back from the dead. Maybe they thought no one would notice :rolleyes:. I did think that it may have been 15 minutes of family. Fortunately there was family, but not the irritating mother and childrens TV presenter.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Another disastrous episode - why do we watch it, I keep asking myself? More patchwork quilt storytelling at the expense of originality and quality - The writers don't seem to grasp that pastiching isn't an ideal recipe for TV SF success (if you're over 10 anyway) - you can't just take some 'Alien 3' 360 degree angle chases here and kill the monster with soundwaves ala the climax of 'Mars Attacks' there, and set the climax in a church in the best 'Quatermass Experiment' manner. Even the Lazarus launch party scene looked like it had been lifted from the McGann TV movie and the creature's face did seem to do a 'Predator' ever so often didn't it? When it split apart!And isn't old Mavis from 'Corrie' ludicrously well-spoken!

[WilsonBros]

It wasn't too bad, certainly not the best one so far.

It's a pity that a more intimate and human story could have been told, but RTD wanted to have a big rampaging monster on the loose.

Speaking of which - Jesus, the face on the CGI monster was abominable, looking like it was just pasted on. Didn't you just love the way that you didn't actually SEE the thing talk, it just cut away slightly before, then quickly cutting back - it was kinda like watching a Doris Wishman movie! :D

The teaser for the next episode was VERY interesting - it was quite a surprise to actually see footage of The Master this early.

THE WILSON BROS

[dr death]

I haven't caught any episodes in this new Doctor Who series- glad to see I am really missing out! :D

[Dracucarr]

It wasn't too bad[/B]

That all depends on ones definition of bad. My bad appears to differ to yours. I keep watching death having lived off past entertainment. I am optimistic there's a good script waiting for David Tennant. Whether or not its been written yet remains to be seen

[dr death]

They could set it on Balomory- and come to us for some ideas! :D

[Grant]

Think that trailer was for the rest of the season Kev as there were clips of Captain Jack who doesn't turn up until episode 10.

[Dracucarr]

Captain Jack.

Seeing him again made me want to go all Earth Dies Screaming, but with the more grisly Horror Express elements of the blinded eyes. I can't stand him! He has a cult following I hear, but he just irritates me. He was on the BBC earlier in some appalling Andrew Lloyd Webber show. Cringe :eek:

[Grant]

Best not watch many more eps then Drac you might have nightmares! :D

[Dracucarr]

Best not watch many more eps then Drac you might have nightmares! :D

Nightmares are most welcome. It's the daydreams I can't stand! :D. Is Captain Jack in just one episode or is he going to be in a few? If its the latter then I will have to try and get over my dislike for him. I can't see it though... ;)

[orgasmo]

heres that trailer again for anyone intrested.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwrBPXj9zQ
YouTube - BBC One - Doctor Who - Series 3 Trail, Part 2

is the master tapping the theme tune with his hand.:confused:

[dr death]

[QUOTE=Dracucarr;183417]Nightmares are most welcome. It's the daydreams I can't stand! :D.

Where would we be without Nightmare- Dracula, Frankenstein, Dr Jeckyll they all came from dreams- I keep hopeing to dream myself a fortune but thus far, nitto! :mad:

[WillHay]

I hated "Survival" when I first saw it, but I've been watching it tonight, and I have to say I'm quite enjoying it. Give me the cheesy cat masks and dodgy chromakey over the flashy CGi and cobbled together bits nicked from other stories any time of the day! The script, story shows a lot more imagination than the crap RTD has churned out... Although it all looks a bit cheap at times!

I never thought I'd enjoy a McCoy era story again...

[dr death]

Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker for me every time! The era I grew up in, I suppose. My favourite all time series is Genesis Of The Daleks- I could be mistaken- I am certainly no Dr Who expert, but this series introduced Davros- he is my favourite Who villain!

[WillHay]

Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker for me every time! The era I grew up in, I suppose. My favourite all time series is Genesis Of The Daleks- I could be mistaken- I am certainly no Dr Who expert, but this series introduced Davros- he is my favourite Who villain!


You are not mistaken. A classic story, and a classic piece of TV drama. The new series doesn't even come close.

[WilsonBros]

Think that trailer was for the rest of the season Kev as there were clips of Captain Jack who doesn't turn up until episode 10.

Yeah, that thought ocurred to me, too, grant.

Funny that they'd be doing that, unless they have been thinking that viewer confidence in this third series is not as high as they'd hoped (certainly some of the viewing figures have been a little disappointing, especially with the Dalek story) and they've decided to put a few early indicators to the big reveal at the end of the series...

Kev W

[christats]

Might have been better if Mark Gatiss hadn't changed into a very unconvincing large CGI scorpion.
If he's going to suck the life out of people in a Lifeforce stylee,then some creepy vampire type,not a nude lady unfortunatley at 7.00 pm.

I missed the end as I was retrieving balls from gardens,got up to the bit were the Doctor stuck sonic screwdriver in a big organ.
Church and noise,isn't there a big budget film with elements of that in.
Too much running about and pulling out of plugs.Its not getting better is it.?

[dr death]

My favourite all time series is Genesis Of The Daleks- this series introduced Davros- he is my favourite Who villain!


Like I say- I haven't caught any of the episodes in this new run- I did intend to watch the Dalek one though, I really like daleks.
Did Davros feature in this latest one?

[WilsonBros]

They've avoided Davros in the new series, though in the most recent two-parter, there was a VERY vague reference to him.

They've even had an Emperor Dalek in the New-Who, which is a throwback to Pat Troughton's era.

Kev W

[WilsonBros]

Church and noise,isn't there a big budget film with elements of that in.

There is indeed! The climax of last night's Doctor Who bears a striking resemblence to the climax of Spider-Man 3, which also involved one of the three villians being lured into the bell-tower of a church & begin defeated by sound.

Strange that...

For anyone pissed off by this little revelation, I didn't say WHICH of the villians it was - there's a choice of three! ;)

Kev W

[drterror666]

Well, as usual, I enjoyed it. I think I'm getting used to this mode of sitting back and switching off my brain. Maybe I realise now that Doctor Who will never be like the old days, but that's 'progress'! It was a bit 'chase me', though.

I had a feeling that the trailer was for more than one story, seeing as Captain Jack doesn't return until later on. I actually like Captain Jack, btw. I take it DI Sam Tyler has got a little army of wizards or something? I wonder if ReTarD will explain how the Master escaped the treatment that Paul McGann dished out at eve of the millennium? Hmm...

Next week's episode is called 42. This isn't a Hitch-hikers Guide reference, is it?

[Grant]

I reckon it is Doc. Don't think its on next week though as its the wonder of Eurovision.

[christats]

Maybe I realise now that Doctor Who will never be like the old days, but that's 'progress'! It was a bit 'chase me', though.



Maybe Duncan Norvelle should be the next Doctor after David Tennant.

[orgasmo]

why not break new ground and go and have a female doctor next time.
the look on her face when she looks in a mirror would be priceless.;)
but use a unknown,a big name would ruin it.;)

[dr death]

I could see that idea working actually- of course you would want a babe I take it. The doctor can regenerate into any age you know!

[WilsonBros]

Orgasmo,

For the Comic Relief spoof, The Curse of Fatal Death, they managed to assemble all of the actors who had been linked to the main role appear as The Doctor, these included...

Rowan Atkinson
Jim Broadbent
Hugh Grant
Richard E Grant...

...and Joanna Lumley.

Even though it is not considered "canon", technically, The Doctor has been a woman.

drdeath - as for The Doctor regenerating into any age, whilst this is certainly true, the new Doctor Who series will only have him regenerate into the body of someone under 40 - or under 35 now. They don't want to veer TOO far from a winning format... ;)

It's now looking quite likely that David Tennant WILL leave at the end of this series, as DT has been awfully cagey about whether he's back for series for. When he does go, his replacement will fit his basic description. Although the name Robert Carlyle has been strongly rumoured to be attached...

Kev W

[Dracucarr]

I find this a shame because I like Tennant as the doc. I will be very disapointed if he goes without one really brilliant episode under his belt.

[WilsonBros]

The Girl In The Fireplace was a great Tennant story, Dracucarr! :)

Kev W

[Dracucarr]

The Girl In The Fireplace was a great Tennant story, Dracucarr! :)

Kev W

And guess what... I havn't seen it! Grrr. I will make an appointment with its next BBC3 repeat. I have seen the beginning though I am fairly sure. Thanks for the heads up though!

[christats]

Do actors leave this role because deep down they know what a load of old toss it is.
Christopher Ecclestone gave this impression,whether it was the case or not.
I don't think David Tennant is the worst.Like Colin Baker he has probably had some stinker stories.
Colin Baker seemed to act as if he was in nonsense half the time,he was fired though wasn't he.?

The last to properly embrace the role was Tom Baker,he seemed eccentric enough not to care,but got tired of the role later on by all accounts?

There has been 2 or 3 good stories in each new series as alot of us agree but thats not good enough.
I don't want to see a female Dr Who.

[Dracucarr]

Didn't Chris Ecclestone leave because he got frightened after seeing how huge the show was due to the dr who dolls etc? I may have heard wrong though. I think David T is excellent and with the right stories I could be a really big fan of this show. I don't blame him at all. Oh, I don't want to see a woman either. There's the Sarah Jane Escapades or something that may cater for that. I do like female superheroes though, but I don't want to see one as the doc.

[orgasmo]

comic relief spoofing aside if the doctor ever does regenerate into a women chances are russell t davies will choose someone like like emma bloody bunton.:rolleyes: :eek:

[christats]

He said he didn't want typcasting,when I saw some scenes C.Ecclestone seemed apologetically embarressed(why am I in this toss.),unless I misinterpreted his mannerisms, probably not used to waving a sonic screwdriver about.
Good idea at the time and in reality not so.?
Edit......
If its going to be a woman,god knows why it needs to be,an actress of some distinguished appearance,ie not a young bimbo.

[Dracucarr]

comic relief spoofing aside if the doctor ever does regenerate into a women chances are russell t davies will choose someone like like emma bloody bunton.:rolleyes: :eek:

That would be a perfect way to dish out the mush! Having the most sickly of people delivering these lines would give the material total reasonance. The killer blow would be to bring back Rose as the assistant! I would never be able to watch such a programme even if they did it in the nude... actually I would watch such a programme on mute. Imagine some of the sound effects you could use! Different time slot so that wouldn't work.

[dr death]

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drdeath - as for The Doctor regenerating into any age, whilst this is certainly true, the new Doctor Who series will only have him regenerate into the body of someone under 40 - or under 35 now. They don't want to veer TOO far from a winning format... ;)

No wonder the planet Galifrey is extinct with such ageist attitudes! ;)
And they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces because Dr Death would make a great Dr Who! :D

[Fuad Ramses]

Tom Paulin off Newsnight Review would make a great Doctor Who.

[dr death]

I wonder which writer first came up with the regeneration idea- it is certainly more plausible to have many faces of Dr Who than it is James Bond, for instance- with each seperate Bond incarnation, more suspension of disbelief is required. In the case of the Doc however, it is just one more facet of Time Lord evolution- a genius stroke.

[WilsonBros]

Do actors leave this role because deep down they know what a load of old toss it is.

Far from it.

Eccleston only signed up on the understanding that he would only do one series and leave. Typecasting WAS an issue for him, which is why he only wanted to do the one series.

As far as David Tennant is concerned, he was initially VERY enthusiastic about being cast and wanted to stay in the show for as long as possible. I suspect that a combination of 10 month shooting schedules, and lots of VERY tempting offers in the wake of his recent "serious" drama about head injury has caused him to reconsider his Doctor Who tenure.

Kev W

[christats]

Of course when I mean old toss,its nonsense I still enjoy.

I have been busy buying all the Who DVD's I can get my hands on.
I have watched Rememberance,Survival and Fenric from the McCoy era and they are not good.Although not disasters.
With me getting the begining discs from Whsmith's for a nice £12.99,the only Who I don't own of the DVD'S are Lost in Time and The Web Planet.

Soon,when I find the time its Ghost Light and Mind Robber next.

[WillHay]

He said he didn't want typcasting,when I saw some scenes C.Ecclestone seemed apologetically embarressed(why am I in this toss.),unless I misinterpreted his mannerisms, probably not used to waving a sonic screwdriver about.
Good idea at the time and in reality not so.?
Edit......
If its going to be a woman,god knows why it needs to be,an actress of some distinguished appearance,ie not a young bimbo.


CE did a good thing getting out - it's juvenile trash, and CE has been in some top class Drama and movies - Our Friends in the North, Let Him Have It and Jude to name a few. I'd imagine after being in stuff like that, Dr Who with its awful scripts was a real come down.

[WilsonBros]

Now he's doing a US TV show about superheroes...

Kev W

[WillHay]

Now he's doing a US TV show about superheroes...

Kev W


It can't be as bad some of the drivel in Dr Who - although having watched an episode of some utter drivel called "Jeremiah", it probably is!

Maybe the US is offering more money for its drivel?

[WilsonBros]

Granted, Doctor Who is going through a bit of a lean patch, with only a couple of decent episodes this series, but when the show is good, it can be very good indeed.

Kev W

[tobiaswragg]

Yet MORE tie-in paperbacks I lost.

[dr death]

Granted, Doctor Who is going through a bit of a lean patch, with only a couple of decent episodes this series, but when the show is good, it can be very good indeed.

Kev W

It has certainly stood the test of time.

[Mojo]

DVD extras for The Time Warrior have just gone through the BBFC :)

[Grant]

I watched that on telly back in the seventies. Took em long enough to russle up some extras. :D

[Johnny_Alucard]

The first Sontaran story, if memory serves...am still awaiting 'The Daemons' release, which is apparently scheduled for sometime in the future...

[dr death]

Some of my favourite vintage episodes are:
The Green Death
Kingdom of the Spiders- Jon Pertwee turns into Tom Baker at the end of this one.
Genesis of the Daleks- my favourite episode as previously mentioned.
Favourite Villain- Daveros
Favourite assistant- Sara Jane Smith
Least favourite character- Captain Black- Canadian Twat (that's not racist)- he is.
Favourite doctor- Peter Cushing- not strictly official but come on- it's Peter Cushing.
Andrew Keir would have made a great doctor as well-imo.
Then again Cushing would have made a great Quatermass-
Yes, I am rambling- thanks for your time!

[WilsonBros]

DrD, as much as we love Peter Cushing, we really feel that his interpretation of The Doctor was pretty "off"

OK, it was probably due the the fact that Subotsky & Rosenberg wanted their Doctor to be an eccentric human inventor, but there is something about his performance that really grates - especially in the first movie.

OK, so Bill Hartnell used to trip over his lines quite a bit, but there was a sense of mystery and numerous layers to his performance.

Our Favourite Doctor was Pat Troughton - just fabulous!

Best villian - that would have to be Roger Delgado's Master.

THE WILSON BROS