TV: Dr. Who

[James Lee]

The difference being The Naked Gun was actually funny

[Mojo]

This episode didn't quite gel for me - dunno why. I actually preferred the first part ( mind you, this was true of the previous series two parters, to be fair ). The ending was a bit dragged out too, I thought.

Some good moments, though - the line of 'unre-animated' Cybermen recalled parts of The Invasion and the Cybermen seeing themselves as they really are was a nice touch.

Maybe giving a two part story featuring the return of one of the most popular monsters and expecting it to be a classic was asking a bit much of a guy who is the youngest ever writer on WHO.

Could have been better, but still enjoyed it.

[will graham]

Do you think the writer of the two parter is a Steven Seagal fan? It's just that the death of the cybermen leader was alot like how Under Siege 2 ended.
(Spoilers)
There he is, the Doctor (Steven Seagal) climbing up the ladder to get inside the blimp (Helicopter) only to have the Cybermen leader (Eric Bogosian) climb up the ladder to give chase until he eventually falls down into the explosion below.:rolleyes:

It's a shame about RTD, seriously his early genre work (The Dark Season and Century Falls) was quite good, where it all went wrong is a mystery.

[Mojo]

As a footnote: it may not have been a true classic, but I enjoyed it far more than Revenge.. or any of the crappy Sylvester McCoy's encounters.

And the Cybermen 'crashing the party' scene will go down as a classic Dr Who moment, IMO :)

[James Lee]

I agree on the McCoy part. As lousy as this story was, it wasn't as bad as Silver Nemesis

[Wayne]

Being quite a fan of both new series, i got the doctor who box set for season one.

Made in the shape of the tardis, I found it to be well constructed and an absolute cracking boxset.

I was wondering if they would out do there selves on the new series and maybe do a darlek this time.

Well I am really disapointed with this, does anyone know if there are plans for a better box or at least repeat the tardis theme.

The all new boring boxset (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1003429/Doctor_Who_Complete_Series_2_Box_Set/Product.html)

[richward]

To be honest, I think they'd be better off focusing on the designs for the vanilla dvd and the novels. Anything's got to be better than all the 'poses' that the cast do for them. It looks cheap and silly. I also know a few people who had problems with the packaging for the TARDIS boxset. Panels coming loose, discs falling out. Maybe one of the reasons for the change? It's also more shelf-friendly.

[Mojo]

I agree, Richward. The 'novelty' boxset for the Eccleston series was awful. I take great care of my DVDs, but this thing was a nightmare.

I'd much prefer a 'boring' boxset, if it meant the bloody thing didn't fall to bits every time you opened it :eek:

[Wayne]

Thats a good point guys, and a very valid, but should they not take a leaf out of ABUK books and give both options of the set like Phantasm. I must have been one of the lucky ones, my boxset has been ok.

Come on you got to admit you might be tempted with the boxset in the shape of a Darlek ??.

Wayne

[drterror666]

Maureen Lipman killing people from inside a TV! This should be good, as it's written by Mark Gattiss. See, I got that one right! ;)

[WillHay]

Maureen Lipman killing people from inside a TV! This should be good, as it's written by Mark Gattiss. See, I got that one right! ;)

Except it wasn't good. Not as bad as Age of Streel, which was like the blue peter panto or "son of silver nemesis". I actually fell asleep halfway through the Idiot's Lantern - it was pretty boring.

Every story seems to end with a dull chase now, and the ideas are all getting a bit samey.

[James Lee]

Have any of the old writers contributed to the new series. It'd be interesting to see Andrew Cartmel and Marc Platt show RTD how to do it right

[christats]

It was a very weak story tonight.The intention's were probably good but it was insignificant.
I didn't dislike it,I came away from watching it thinking is that it.
Some alien sucking people's faces off to gain energy.Why?If its an electric energy there must be a bigger quantity of it about than in peoples brains.
No wonder the entity failed.
This and the spaceship plummed into 17th century France are the least irritating so far.Only because the rest has been banal.

[CJ34]

Each week, people seem to post how disappointing the episode was and go on to say how great next week's episode looks.

And then when next week's episode comes around...see above. :p

[christats]

Must be like watching a trailer for a bad movie.Where they show the highlights to kid people.
In Doctor Who's case about a minute.
Looks like they have got the Lobster scientist from Futurama in next weeks episode.
Dosn't it look great.?

[drterror666]

Well, I enjoyed last night's episode. The story was complete hokey (and some elements reminded me of the Faceless Man episode of Sapphire & Steel), but it was all good fun.

Next week features the reintroduction of another old Doctor Who foe. I think I know who it is, seeing as to who RTD wants to resurrect for series 3.

Ooh, a mystery...

[Mojo]

Well, I enjoyed last night's episode. The story was complete hokey (and some elements reminded me of the Faceless Man episode of Sapphire & Steel), but it was all good fun.

Next week features the reintroduction of another old Doctor Who foe. I think I know who it is, seeing as to who RTD wants to resurrect for series 3.

Ooh, a mystery...

I enjoyed last night's episode, too. Although I thought it would have been a nice touch to have the faceless humans wandering the streets ( a la Spearhead From Space etc )

I think I might know who the old enemy is from next week's too. It may be related to the ( rumoured ) forthcoming release of an old early 70s classic...:eek:

[christats]

Of the Rumoured releases looks like Hand Of Fear and the Colin Baker one have appeared on Play's pre-orders.
I will have to watch next week as I am not sure which of the 70's storylines it is related to.?
Don't give me a clue,no spoilers.

[drterror666]

Yes, when I read a cryptic clue about who was resurfacing on another forum, I guessed it could only be one of two old Doctor Who enemies. One is too obvious, the other not so. I'll be glad of either. ;)

Of course, when I found out who RTD wants to reintroduce for season 3, I realised this could be the prologue.

I'll say no more...

[christats]

All I know about the impossible Planet is that they go into a Black hole hell.Meet some squid aliens called Oods and there is a central enemy played by someone who was in a Tom Baker story.?
Is he necessarily playing the same character though.?

(I haven't spoilt owt as the brief synopsis is on most related websites.)
One rumour that isn't true,I read was Chris Evans was playing the character that the returning actor is.:eek:

Is the obvious enemy the Timelord(s),or am I barking up the wrong tree.?
If the certain actor is reprising his role,then I know who it is.

[drterror666]

Tom Baker story, you say? Hmm, curioser and curioser...

[richward]

This weeks episode had a decent story but felt so flat and dull. Bland. The worst thing though had to be the Doctor and Rose. For a program which makes a big deal about the level of emotional interaction etc, why is it that their friendship feels so fake, so unbelievable? Their scenes together in 'The Idiot's Lantern' set my teeth on edge. I wish someone would tell them that there is far more to the Doctor, then gurning and being angry. Where is the depth, the beliveability, the personality?

[christats]

It may be because Billy Piper is a bad actress and David Tennant is underused and badly written for.

The program is getting awards,which might be the old tactic of self hype by the TV chiefs trying to convince us that we are watching something great.

By the way the fact an actor is returning from an old Tom Baker episode bear any relation to the next story,or is he just in it as "Satan".?

[drterror666]

You'll be letting the cat out of the bag soon, christats! ;)

[christats]

I'll say no more,there are 7 years of stories to choose from.I have hardly done a tabloid soap plotline a few weeks in advance.

[Mojo]

I thought who ( or what ) was returning was from a Jon Pertwee story.

Mind you, I'm probably completely wrong :D

[christats]

The actor returning is I have read was in a Tom Baker Story.He could well be playing a character from a Jon Pertwee story.:confused:
I haven't seen anything that relates to a Baker one.Only that the actor was in it.He might be playing a different part.:confused: :confused:

[drterror666]

No, this character definitely appeared in an early Tom Baker episode, one of the best in fact. Christats has already mentioned Satan, and that is the best clue anyone could ever have.

I thought it was Azal when I first heard the episode mentioned ages ago, but suddenly had a brainwave that was bolstered by what somebody said on this forum!

[Mojo]

No, this character definitely appeared in an early Tom Baker episode, one of the best in fact. Christats has already mentioned Satan, and that is the best clue anyone could ever have.

I thought it was Azal when I first heard the episode mentioned ages ago, but suddenly had a brainwave that was bolstered by what somebody said on this forum!

:eek:

Azal was my guess too, but now I'm pretty sure I know who you mean...;)

[christats]

Am I the first to comment on tonight's episode.
I will stick my neck out then and say I enjoyed it.
I am still not sure it is Dr Who in the traditional sense but I did like the way it is going.Less of the silly randomness that's a good sign.
Will Thorpe can do scary faces and the added red contact's.
Mr Woolf was mentioned in the credits as the voice,he's yet to appear.
Still has it got any connrction to Pyramid's of Mars,which he was in.Crap I hope I haven't annoyed anyone by mentioning it.

[Grant]

Tonights episode was a cracker. Roll on the rest...

Grant

[richward]

Yeah I enjoyed it! Still think the Doctor and Rose need better characterisation, it's as if the writers just sit around watching 'Buffy' and 'Friends' in their breaks. But it was a great episode and restored a little bit of my faith in it.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Am I the first to comment on tonight's episode.
I will stick my neck out then and say I enjoyed it.
I am still not sure it is Dr Who in the traditional sense but I did like the way it is going.Less of the silly randomness that's a good sign.
Will Thorpe can do scary faces and the added red contact's.
Mr Woolf was mentioned in the credits as the voice,he's yet to appear.
Still has it got any connrction to Pyramid's of Mars,which he was in.Crap I hope I haven't annoyed anyone by mentioning it.

This was the best episode of the second series so far, although echoing elements from supernatural flavoured sci-fi turkeys: 'Event Horizon' and 'Ghosts of Mars', with a bit of 'Kwaidan' imagery thrown into the melting pot for good measure, did grate with me a little. But the 'Ood' or whatever they were called, were nicely designed aliens - a bit like the 'Sensorites' from past 'Who', and with the great Gabriel Woolf providing the voice of the as yet unseen satanic monster, it would be nice to think that when all is revealed next week, the character he voices will be linked to the one he played in 'Pyramids of Mars'...we'll see...

[john]

This was the best episode of the second series so far, although echoing elements from supernatural flavoured sci-fi turkeys: 'Event Horizon' and 'Ghosts of Mars', with a bit of 'Kwaidan' imagery thrown into the melting pot for good measure, did grate with me a little. But the 'Ood' or whatever they were called, were nicely designed aliens - a bit like the 'Sensorites' from past 'Who', and with the great Gabriel Woolf providing the voice of the as yet unseen satanic monster, it would be nice to think that when all is revealed next week, the character he voices will be linked to the one he played in 'Pyramids of Mars'...we'll see...

So you enjoyed it then, Johnny The Boy? :D

[Mojo]

Terrific episode. Yes - the Pyramids Of Mars connection is very interesting...;)

[drterror666]

Well, we may as well have it out. Who's betting that the creature from the pit is no other than Sutekh? If this is true, how the bloody hell (sorry) did he get there? The last we saw him, the Doctor had killed him, so I don't see how he's going to get out of that. Unless, of course, it's his lesser known brother, Pootekh!

Oh, and while I'm here, I'll just say that last night's episode was the best yet! It almost felt like the old days in parts. Can't wait for the conclusion.

[Grant]

Maybe the planet is hell :D

In which case no wonder Chris Evans was rumoured to be there! :p

Grant

[christats]

Its the old chesnut of "Egyptian" type races coming from other planets.Its been a while since I watched my copy of Pyramids so I cannot exactly remember the origin of Sutukeh,( or spell it.)All the big stone temples in the pit and the weird "Egyptian" style symbols.?
I didn't want to mention Gabriel Woolf but alot will have noticed him on the credits.

[Mojo]

Well, we may as well have it out. Who's betting that the creature from the pit is no other than Sutekh? If this is true, how the bloody hell (sorry) did he get there? The last we saw him, the Doctor had killed him, so I don't see how he's going to get out of that. Unless, of course, it's his lesser known brother, Pootekh!

Oh, and while I'm here, I'll just say that last night's episode was the best yet! It almost felt like the old days in parts. Can't wait for the conclusion.

Watched Pyramids Of Mars a while back, but, from what I remember, he wasn't killed, but 'imprisoned' in time. Or something. So he's still out there somewhere...

[drterror666]

I seem to remember some kind of time loop thing. Maybe the black hole disrupted the effect? Who knows?

[paramanjara]

Great story. THe guy who got possessed had an annoying face and the ball thing floating across and sticking to someones forehead made me laugh out loud but it was a greatstory. I loved the ruins of the ancient civilsation within the planet. Didn't look very egyptian to me if you lot think its Sutekh the Destroyer. Plus we did catch a glimpse of something with large horns on the hologram computer screenthingy.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Great story. THe guy who got possessed had an annoying face and the ball thing floating across and sticking to someones forehead made me laugh out loud but it was a greatstory. I loved the ruins of the ancient civilsation within the planet. Didn't look very egyptian to me if you lot think its Sutekh the Destroyer. Plus we did catch a glimpse of something with large horns on the hologram computer screenthingy.

In 'Pyramids of Mars' - the good doc pointed out that Sutekh was just the name utilised in the Egyptian civilisation; Set and Satan were mentioned too, I think...

[paramanjara]

Either way the mosnter look sbugger all like Sutekh. Check out www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho you'll see what I mean

[christats]

Blimey,bit curse of the demon.Maybe this is Sutekh in his true form.
Or Russell T Davies just has former who actors in it to try and please the traditional fans.

I did read somewhere Russel T Davies wanted to incorporate a "Gay kiss" into one of the story lines.Which he backed down on.

Less of this right on subversive placed stuff please if you have to write anymore Mr Davies.

[WillHay]

Great story. THe guy who got possessed had an annoying face and the ball thing floating across and sticking to someones forehead made me laugh out loud but it was a greatstory. I loved the ruins of the ancient civilsation within the planet. Didn't look very egyptian to me if you lot think its Sutekh the Destroyer. Plus we did catch a glimpse of something with large horns on the hologram computer screenthingy.

Yup, I loved this episode.

[christats]

Pity the second episode ended in a convenient damp squib of an ending as usual.
Best story so far but I am afraid its a fly on the top of a pile of turds.
Looks like Gabriel Woolf was in there for the fan boys to have some speculation,including me.
Its a program a bit like the England team at the moment.
I come away thinking why did I bother.
Still we've got Peter Kay in a floppy hat to look forward to.

[James Lee]

I did read somewhere Russel T Davies wanted to incorporate a "Gay kiss" into one of the story lines.Which he backed down on.


Didn't they do that at the end of the last season? Either way, not very appropiate in a children's show - by the same token, the Doctor getting too "friendly" with anyone is a bit too much

[WillHay]

Pity the second episode ended in a convenient damp squib of an ending as usual.
Best story so far but I am afraid its a fly on the top of a pile of turds.
Looks like Gabriel Woolf was in there for the fan boys to have some speculation,including me.
Its a program a bit like the England team at the moment.
I come away thinking why did I bother.
Still we've got Peter Kay in a floppy hat to look forward to.

Yup, it was a terrible 2nd episode - that awful "monologue" with DT was embarrassing to watch, and the "Oh, look the TARDIS" ending was just so bad...

I can't believe the BBC make this - and I can't believe they haven't got a script editor sitting there saying "This is terrible, please rewrite it so the doctor actually DOES something to get out of his predicament."

[richward]

Part me of liked this and another part hated it. There were some good bits particularly from Claire Rushbrook. I was disappointed that nothing was really built on from last week. They threw the mystery and scares away for a run-around.

What I hated about it was this overwhelming sense that this series is nowhere near as funny, as moving, or as clever as everyone involved in it seems to think it is.

I almost liked the Doctor this week until I realised that what I really wanted him to do was shut up. Why do they give him so much dialogue? It's not funny, it's not 'quirky', it's not characterisation. Everything about the character is shallow and fake like Tennant's Mockney accent. Sorry, I know I've mentioned this before but I don't like or believe in this character . The thought that this guy is going to be around for a couple of years depresses me. It amazes me that a production team with so many alleged fans manages to muck up the most important character. Note that I'm talking about the Doc and not DT who may be a good actor but I can't tell.

[christats]

Yup, it was a terrible 2nd episode - that awful "monologue" with DT was embarrassing to watch, and the "Oh, look the TARDIS" ending was just so bad...


That niggled me the most,but with everything t*ts up with 5 minutes to go then I was expecting it.
The Tardis buried by an earthquake happens to land feet away from were the Doctor landed.After falling a few hundred feet,miles?
Bad format,badly written,rushed conclusions.

[Grant]

Great fun wasn't it? The Tardis towing the spaceship was great as was the 'devil'. Peter Kaye next week, fantastic.

Grant

[Mojo]

I have to say I was disappointed with this. Another terrific first episode let down by a below par 2nd. It just seemed to be one long chase down a ventilation shaft.

Apparently, RTD said this was 'as scary as Dr Who gets'. It wasn't. Spearhead From Space was scary. Inferno was scary. From this series, The Girl In The Fireplace and Rise Of The Cybermen were much more scary. Great stuff.

Unfortunately, this one didn't do it for me. Shame.

[WilsonBros]

Trust us: Love & Monsters will either have you in rapture or wanting to drown Peter Kay in a vat of John Smiths', as it pushes the comedy angle into parody and even sidelines the Doctor & Rose in order to do so.

It must have seemed too good an opportunity for Kay to pass up: a man who has built his career on popular culture asked to guest star in an iconic UK TV show that has become part of popular culture. He'd better make good on his act while he can, as when he hits his 40s, things like "Do you remember how your gran would always put Lion Bars in the fridge? Even when it was the middle of winter, you'd break your teeth on them!" His target audience is likely to reply: "Look, I've got a mortgage, two kids I have to feed on top of keeping my ex wife, so Lion Bars aren't really foremost on my mind, Peter."

The Doctor Who team had better be careful if they want to have him back next series, as Kay has been known to have his colleagues axed when they get too much control over projects he appears in...

THE WILSON BROS

[Mojo]

Trust us: Love & Monsters will either have you in rapture or wanting to drown Peter Kay in a vat of John Smiths', as it pushes the comedy angle into parody and even sidelines the Doctor & Rose in order to do so.THE WILSON BROS

I'm dreading this one...

[christats]

Peter Kay gets up my nose,I must be the only person in Britain obviously who thinks so.
Phoenix Nights and some of Max and Paddy were not bad.
His stand up gets on my t*ts.
Garlic and bread together, t'nternet.:eek:

[H P Saucecraft]

you're not the only one Christats, I can't stand Kay, I just don't find him funny, only irritating.

I shall probably still watch this though. I will keep going with the series, there are some good ideas, but there is room for improvement in the execution of them. I know it will never be what it once was, but it's just a habit now.

Could do with some decent monsters I think (although satan was quite impressively rendered).


Dave

[christats]

Despite Peter Kay,who was okay in this weeks episode this was the best.
If you accept that it wasn't really Sci fi as such or Dr Who as he was hardly in it.
It was a jokey suburban drama.
Very easy to watch and Mark Warren,"Elton" reminds me of Malcolm McDowell.
I know maybe alot of you may think it was sh*t but it was the best episode of either the Eccleston or Tennent era.
Just forget it was Dr Who.
By the way,Peter Kay still got on my t*ts on the Jonathan Ross show with his contrived anarchy,but he was welcome relief after John Malcovich.
What bl**dy planet is that artsy fart from.

[richward]

I agree with you on most of your points. Forget it was Dr Who and it was an entertaining 45m. I could have done without the 'use a funny voice to drive home the point that it's just a bit of fun really' acting though. I liked it but it emphasies to me that the programme makers are nowhere near as funny or clever as they think they are. That joke at the end about Ursula and Elton's 'relationship' made me cringe.

[WillHay]

Despite Peter Kay,who was okay in this weeks episode this was the best.
If you accept that it wasn't really Sci fi as such or Dr Who as he was hardly in it.
It was a jokey suburban drama.
Very easy to watch and Mark Warren,"Elton" reminds me of Malcolm McDowell.
I know maybe alot of you may think it was sh*t but it was the best episode of either the Eccleston or Tennent era.
Just forget it was Dr Who.
By the way,Peter Kay still got on my t*ts on the Jonathan Ross show with his contrived anarchy,but he was welcome relief after John Malcovich.
What bl**dy planet is that artsy fart from.

You have got to be kidding? That was absolute drivel - one of the worst 45 minutes of TV I've ever seen. Self indulgant, drivel of the first order!!!!! Even the story was a rip off of that rubbish Idiot Lantern story. The series has degernerated into a soap/sitcom - even the few highlights of this season can't rescue it. RTD is a poxy writer. Anyone churning out drivel like this needs to be FIRED!

[mrb]

I'm sure Will Hay or someone will tell me why the 'deus ex petite pois' meant this episode was sh*t or something, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Sure it was shamelessly pitched at the kids who grew up with Doctor Who and yer ELO and that (which i dug, i'm seeing them next month :p ) , which could be irritating if you're not in the mood i guess, but I found it funny and, er, a little bit charming frankly.

As for the funny voices - c'mon, i'm not big on Kay, but the way he slipped into native oop north for the alien reveal scene was funny.

EDIT : ooh, the Hay got there before me, he's more predictable than the plots on the show innit! :)

[richward]

It was the 'funny' (ironic?) voices used by Marc Warren and Shirley Henderson which made them both sound about 10 years old that I objected to. They are both better actors than that. Peter Kay didn't bother me surprisingly.

[Grant]

Yeah enjoyed this off-beat episode. Marc Warren I've seen in a couple of things and is usually pretty good.

Can't see Will ever liking it tbh. :(

Grant

[Mojo]

Trouble is, as a one - off episode of something else, or a one - off play, it might have been ok. But it was part of the Dr Who series, and just didn't do it for me.

Why Peter Kay? I think he's quite a funny guy, but apparently he got the part because he wrote a letter to RTD saying how much he liked the series. That's nice.

Sorry - wrong series for this, RTD.

Self - indulgent sh*te.

[christats]

Like I said forget it was Dr Who.It might have been self indulgent drivel,but it was an entertaining way to pass 45 mins on a Saturday.
What would you rather have on at this time.?
Definatley the easiest episode to watch.Detatch all reasoning and it don't seem so bad.
Where are we up to.Episode 11 of 13.?
Satan Pit okay,and this okay.Sarah Jane Smith being in okay.
So the series is about 85 % b*llocks.

[SicCoyote]

I didn't catch all of this but enough, I've already written off this new series as totally separate to, but inspired by, the classic series so not really that bothered, but the love life thing didn't really need to be said, we were all thinking it anyway, well I was thinking it, but I'm a perv, more dismembered head b*** j** references in shows please.
(Although you have to think, how does she move, where does she get the air to talk, how deep is her love, err, this is total fantasy)

I'm getting off track, ah the track had finished, that's why.

Oh yeah saw the second Confidential and realized there were alot of things about the sarah jane episode I didn't like, I think they got eclipsed by K9. and I hate RTD more and more with each episode of Con)

[O_Lucky_Dan]

Weirdly, though I generally dislike the man's rubbish humour and incredibly punchable 'cheeky face', I thought Peter Kay was quite funny in the 'showdown' sequence of this episode. It was still pretty abysmal, mind, though it was nice to see Michael from Alan Partridge pop up in there.

I was quite surprised by the reference to (freaky) oral sex at the end, though. I didn't think the Beeb would slip that one through during primetime.

[LoungeLizard]

It reminded me of something from the Sylvester McCoy years. Amateuristic, silly rubbish with a guest star thrown in to distract viewers from how truly chronic it is.

[WillHay]

Like I said forget it was Dr Who.It might have been self indulgent drivel,but it was an entertaining way to pass 45 mins on a Saturday.
What would you rather have on at this time.?
Definatley the easiest episode to watch.Detatch all reasoning and it don't seem so bad.
Where are we up to.Episode 11 of 13.?
Satan Pit okay,and this okay.Sarah Jane Smith being in okay.
So the series is about 85 % b*llocks.

I found it excrutiating, to be honest. Poorly written, dreadfully acted... It had no redeeming features.... Even not as Dr Who it sucked so hard.

[Mojo]

Like I said forget it was Dr Who.It might have been self indulgent drivel,but it was an entertaining way to pass 45 mins on a Saturday.
What would you rather have on at this time.?
Definatley the easiest episode to watch.Detatch all reasoning and it don't seem so bad.
Where are we up to.Episode 11 of 13.?
Satan Pit okay,and this okay.Sarah Jane Smith being in okay.
So the series is about 85 % b*llocks.

Don't get me wrong, Christats - I've defended this series ( and the previous one ) countless times. I'm certainly happy to have this on Saturday night telly ( wait till you see what replaces it! ) Personally, I'm about 85% happy with the programme. The two part Cybermen story, The Girl In The Fireplace etc were terrific. I just didn't like this one at all.

The original series had a few stinkers, too!

[Mojo]

It reminded me of something from the Sylvester McCoy years. Amateuristic, silly rubbish with a guest star thrown in to distract viewers from how truly chronic it is.

Nail on the head, Vincenzo!

[christats]

Don't get me wrong, Christats - I've defended this series ( and the previous one ) countless times. I'm certainly happy to have this on Saturday night telly ( wait till you see what replaces it! ) Personally, I'm about 85% happy with the programme. The two part Cybermen story, The Girl In The Fireplace etc were terrific. I just didn't like this one at all.

The original series had a few stinkers, too!
Girl in the fireplace was reasonable.The Satan Pit was okay,but the second episode was a let down.
The Sarah Jane,K9 episode was only of interest to see how Billie Piper was out acted by one of the best previous assistants.
Didn't care for the Cybermen story,the scene were they were creeping past the defrosting ones was a highlight.
I was just curiously entertained by last nights episode.
Geeks dancing to E.L.O.

[mrb]

The episode was clearly a comment on the Who audience. Group of people brought together by their fascination with dr who, all of them having seen him as a child (literally), then gradually realising that more important than they're collective 'who geekery' is the social bonding they feel when together. The use of pop-rock from the Baker-era (70's ELO), compounds this.
I agree with Chris, the sight of them ENJOYING themselves whilst murdering ELO tunes, was great. What ruins it for them? The intrusion of a 'proper' who villian - someone who TAKES THE FUN AWAY, and just wants to find the REAL DOCTOR.

Come on, it's pretty transparent.

The bit where they use the vocoder 'mr blue sky' line over the ending where the geezer remembers Who being their on the day his mum died was SUBLIME.
I was touched.

Anything else is missing the point in my opinion. Big style.

[richward]

Just because some didn't like it, doesn't mean they missed the point.
Maybe the problem is that the programme is too transparent. I enjoyed Saturday's episode but I didn't love it and I didn't hate it. I could see exactly the points it was trying to make but I didn't find it as moving as I think they intended to be. All the 'emotional' stuff they do is fairly obvious, 'transparent' and a bit patronising.

But that's just my opinion.:)

[mrb]

Just because some didn't like it, doesn't mean they missed the point.

I agree; as you'll see if you read my post. If anything, the reading of this as being 'not Who' is missing the point.

...and if i had an opinion that would probably be mine. :rolleyes:

[christats]

I thought the rendition of the E.L.O. tune sounded alright.
I love 70's music,but theirs has aged badly for me.(Sorry fans.)
I don't get off on the emotional stuff either.It dosn't work as Sci Fi is as far fetched as a bucket of faeces from Democratic Republic of China.
I have come to the view that I switch my brain off and get some booze and treat it as a children's comedy show.About up to the standard of Metal Mickey.
I hadn't thought about the sexual connotations of the paving stone at the end.
There are some minds like sewers on this forum.

[drterror666]

Looks like I timed that Ibiza trip just right! I wasn't really looking forward to the Peter Kaye episode anyway. Only three more to go and the pain will be over!

[christats]

Just started watching Inferno.Although I have interrupted it for the football after ep.1.
This is the first DR Who I have watched on an LCD and it looks awful.
Don't know if its a bit ropy,or if I go back to the others they will look bad.
Story seems not bad,not seen it before.I will watch the rest after the footie.

[SicCoyote]

It may be because it's 50 Fields per second interlaced?

LCDs seem to be good up to about 30, but above and deinterlaced dvd look a bit ropey.

[Grant]

Typical posts in this thread go along the "crap this week will be crap next week" so why the hell watch it? Its obviously not for you and RTD is gonna be with us at least through season 3 Gawd bless him!

Stick with your old videos and don't stress yourself....

[christats]

I enjoyed this week's episode.I defended it.I am in a minority.I accept now that it is Doctor Who only in name,and now I am fine with it.
I will go back to Inferno now.Nearly everything I have watched on my new TV has looked pretty good,even 70's sitcoms.
Inferno dosn't.Maybe because of it being deinterlaced or something as suggested.

[SicCoyote]

Also I think Inferno is one where they have had to reconstruct to colour from an NTSC broadcast tape and a B&W 16mm Film copy, but that could be other one. As Most Pertwee Stories have at least 1 episode which doesn't exist in tape form anymore.

[groon]

Gary Couzens at dvd times is ok about it..

Inferno was a victim of the BBC’s junking policy of the 1970s and all its colour PAL videotapes were wiped. 16mm black-and-white telerecordings were still kept though (and don’t forget that in 1970 the great majority of the audience would have been watching in monochrome anyway). However, 525-line colour NTSC tapes were returned from Canada. The earlier DVD release of The Claws of Axos was the first to use Reverse Standards Conversion (RSC), or converting back to PAL material which only exists as NTSC-to-PAL conversions. Needless to say, short of an original PAL tape turning up, this is as good as these episodes are ever likely to look, particularly on interlaced-scan viewing equipment such as most TV sets. On progressive-scan equipment – such as a PC monitor – it’s grainier and softer and the line structure is more visible. On the other hand, this was never intended to be viewed in these circumstances. Owners of HD-ready sets won’t be using this DVD to show off their equipment, but I’m glad it’s available when so much vintage TV (including, don’t forget, 108 1960s Who episodes) is probably lost forever.


Inferno dvd review - http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61862

Dr Who restoration team website [loads of info..] - http://www.restoration-team.co.uk/

[christats]

This explains alot.
I have still only watched episode 1 as I have started wandering about on the net.
Will have to watch it tomorrow now.:(
I am not saying its unwatchable,but it is noticeably bad.Still as the review said,its here.

I don't know if any one will start a thread on that Coogan Saxondale crap,but I caught half of it inbetween deciding what to do after the footie.Defend it at your peril

[SicCoyote]

I thought it was quite funny, but a little hmm, not sure.

But any show that has animal rights people getting shot with pellets gets my vote.

[groon]

That pigeon never stood a chance - i mean its not like it had a loaded weapon or anything, although it did have the ability to fly about and sh*t in peoples backyards - something Saxondale hadn't done since his student years..
I thought it was allright.

[mrb]

we'll see how Saxondale goes. I liked it. The bit where Coogan and his missus look at each other and evaporate into "you rock my world" made me laugh and grin and splutter.

The only reason i mention this in the Who thread is cos chris said it was perilous.

[Mojo]

This looks pretty cool...

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61866

:)

[SicCoyote]

Another silly packaged box set, but at least they do have a normal case this time, but still vastly overpriced.

£44.99 for 13 episodes?

[Mojo]

Just started watching Inferno.Although I have interrupted it for the football after ep.1.
This is the first DR Who I have watched on an LCD and it looks awful.
Don't know if its a bit ropy,or if I go back to the others they will look bad.
Story seems not bad,not seen it before.I will watch the rest after the footie.

Let us know what you think of this one, christats.

Personally, I think Inferno is one of the best ever WHO stories, with the transforming humans being one of the scariest creations. There's a real feeling of doom to this one, leading up to a terrific finale. Creating the look and sound of this on such a low budget was amazing.

Just got the disc myself - quick look reveals a big step up from the previous VHS release - although now you know why it's not quite up to the usual standards. Still, at least we're lucky to have it at all, after the BBC's inspired decision to wipe a load of stuff in the early 70s. Stupid b@stards.

[James Lee]

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61862

I'm on buisness at the moment so haven't been able to watch my disc. Can't wait though!

[christats]

Damm,there's 7 episodes.I thought I would watch it before the footie tonight.
Got halfway through episode 6.Will have to watch the end later tonight.
Its definatley the best Pertwee story released on DVD.As a few have said the Pertwee era can be a bit stodgy.
Slow moving but snappy dialogue and creepy.

I was initially shocked by the picture quality as its the first Who I have watched on my new TV.

(I had to mention the new Coogan program,I caught it halfway through when he was interviewing.I get the feeling always when watching him that he thinks he's funnier than he is.)

[SicCoyote]

Well I'm waiting for Planet of the Spiders to be released, I mean a whole episode dedicated to a chase scene, on the ground, in the air, on the sea it's a big Pertwee Finale.

Also waiting for the latest Who dvds to drop below £8 in the sales, not got the last few from city of death onwards except the beginning set.

[NPC]

This looks very interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/06/20/33077.shtml

[drterror666]

I think this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/06/15/32946.shtml) story is more interesting.

[christats]

The metro paper had a little square on Billie Piper Leaving,the other week.
Who should be his new assistant.?
Maybe ex singer sonia.To carry on the tradition,of singers who think they can act.(Or sing.)

I don't fancy watching old episodes of Who with missing episodes,not really seen any of the Troughton era.
I did want to watch the T.Baker Shada but there's even less of that with that strike and all.

[drterror666]

I think we should bring back Peri! Or Mel! Or even Ace! What did happen to her?

[christats]

Sophie Aldred was Ace.Looked on IMDB and the last entry was 1999.
Going off that website she's probably been on TV every day for the past 20 years.
Sorry if I disapointed the Billie fans by saying what the link was.
It looks like the new assistant is decided on,he's going to have a black assistant....not Mickey.
Some actress I have forgotten the name of.
Could have been worse,there was one website having bets on it being Nikki Sanderson,Jennifer Ellison or Charlie Brooks.

[WilsonBros]

Well I'm waiting for Planet of the Spiders to be released, I mean a whole episode dedicated to a chase scene, on the ground, in the air, on the sea it's a big Pertwee Finale.

Oh Jesus, we watched Planet of the Spiders a couple of years ago, and the chase episode ironically brings the story to a complete stop! A whole episode dedicating to stroking Pertwee's already considerable ego...

THE WILSON BROS

[WilsonBros]

This looks very interesting

Jesus H Christ!

This is so Goddamn cool! The Invasion is a great story, and seeing as there are no telesnaps in existence for the two missing episodes, this is a fab way of releasing this eight-parter on DVD.

The appearance of the Cybermen in the new series prompted the idea of releasing The Invasion - so we actually have something to be grateful to those crappy new Cybermen!

We'll be buying it! :D

THE WILSON BROS

[SicCoyote]

A whole episode dedicating to stroking Pertwee's already considerable ego...
Come on, I mean if you can't stroke your ego in your swan song, when can you stoke it?

On the animated Missing Episodes, this was put up as a way by people on the forums over and over again, always with the retort that it would be FAR too expensive to even do a reconstruction like on the tenth planet video. Just watched the little smapler, very little, I was expecting David Jason to say "London! Home of ..."

[Johnny_Alucard]

I think we should bring back Peri! Or Mel! Or even Ace! What did happen to her?
Heaven preserve us! The idea of bringing back Bonnie Langford into the 'Who' fold makes me want to 'scweam and scweam and scweam, until i'm sick!' ;-) Sophie Aldred was equally annoying and charmless...it has to be said that Nicola Bryant was probably the hotest 'Who' assistant ever to step through the TARDIS doors though (even more so than Katy Manning or Liz Sladen and that's saying something!) - the only positive thing that JNT did during his tenure as producer infact...now that Fern Cotton is out of a job following the axing of TOTP how about her? LOL

[christats]

Was Nicola Bryant the one with the short dark hair.She was in the post T.Baker era so I didn't see her.I would agree she was hot if she's the one I am thinking of.
No-one like Mary Tamm.
I prefered Romana 1 to Romana 2 myself,but its personal choice.
The reason the top 40 was scrapped is that they probably still only do the chart from 500 shops,and only silly bl**dy "music" charts.You can't build a program round that.
I think they've already decided on a new assistant.Someone who is in the last two stories,and I have heard a certain character from the Eccleston series may be coming back.

[drterror666]

Heaven preserve us! The idea of bringing back Bonnie Langford into the 'Who' fold makes me want to 'scweam and scweam and scweam, until i'm sick!' ;-) Sophie Aldred was equally annoying and charmless...it has to be said that Nicola Bryant was probably the hotest 'Who' assistant ever to step through the TARDIS doors though (even more so than Katy Manning or Liz Sladen and that's saying something!) - the only positive thing that JNT did during his tenure as producer infact...now that Fern Cotton is out of a job following the axing of TOTP how about her? LOL

I was having a joke really, but I like the Fern Cotton idea...

[mrb]

I reckon Kate Winslett would make a smashing assistant.

[Grant]

I do like the idea of animating those missing episodes, great stuff!

EDIT: did anyone see the trailer for the first of the two part finale? Ghosts, Torchwood, Cybermen and it certainly looked like someone was exterminated.....

[christats]

What a waiste of fooking space tonight's episode was.The worst one yet for me.
Last week's might have be panned but at least there was a bit of humour that appealed to me at least.
I wonder what's going to happen in the Torchwood/Cybermen episode....let me think.?

[Johnny_Alucard]

What a waiste of fooking space tonight's episode was.The worst one yet for me.
Last week's might have be panned but at least there was a bit of humour that appealed to me at least.
I wonder what's going to happen in the Torchwood/Cybermen episode....let me think.?

Another turkey last night, dreary pastiche being order of the day as usual! With familiar plotlines having been done better elsewhere; it reminded me a bit of the Twilight Zone episode 'The Monsters are due on Maple Street', with major elements of Bernard Rose's underrated 'Paperhouse' thrown in for goood measure - ironically, this was written by Matthew Jacobs, who went on to scribe the Mcgann TV movie! The acting was generally of the lowest standard, the girl who was possessed by the alien being particularly wooden...and Hugh Edwards don't give up the day job! The series climax does look promising, though, if the teaser is to be believed, but am sure it won't be! If it means the demise of Billy P's character, which they appear to be hinting at, it will be at least a guilty pleasure seeing the Doc trying to explain it away to her to her mum...

[christats]

I know this series is essentially a kids program,but even judging it on that level,it was bad.
I hated this episode more than any other.
The Idiot Lantern was boring,the Peter Kay episode was a puzzle,but I laughed at bits of it.
Last night was cringy and embaressing.
What was the Honey Monster doing in the wardrobe.?
I know its an old cliche now but at least something looks to be happening next week,I think I have gathered who and what are in it,as well as the Cybermen.
So I won't post any spoilers.

[will graham]

With last night's episode I couldn't help but feel sorry for the poor guy carring the torch.
He's there happly running along only to then collapse on the floor, no one does a thing other than stare and than start cheering when some weird guy picks up the torch.
What about the poor guy on the road.... anyone want to make sure he's still alive?
Some guy who calls himself a doctor decides not to give a guy CPR but nick his torch instead and take all the glory from him, what an a**hole!

Rose ain't going to die, she's going to live happly ever after, if the cybermen come back than it wouldn't surprise me if two annoying characters make an appearance.

[Grant]

Who Del boy and Rodney to join Trig? :D

[drterror666]

I thought last night's episode was a bit of fluff. Looks like they saved all the budget money for the two-part finale. Anyone getting excited about the finale should remember that it's penned by RTD himself, so things are just going to happen and the Doctor will work it all out in the end. Billie Piper has said she'll be guest-starring in S3 so she's definitely not going to die. Of course, something strange could happen to her.

Oh, and that definitely looked like a Dalek death ray to me...

[christats]

There were alot of little signs in the trailer,death ray for one.Another being a character from a Toni Basil song.Unless I am eating cheese at night again.
The fact that the series is about time travelling means that the good old Doc could go back and visit Rose.
Or go back and stop the release of "'cause we want to."

[Mojo]

I thought last night's episode was a bit of fluff. Looks like they saved all the budget money for the two-part finale.

I agree - I thought it was an interesting idea, but a bit swamped with sentimentality at times.

Just finished watching Inferno - true classic.

Really looking forward to The Invasion getting a DVD release. I had this on VHS and it's a terrific story. The idea of animating the two missing episodes looks excellent.

I wonder if the 'telesnaps' that exist for all of the missing Troughton serials could be computer 'animated', with the missing frames somehow computer generated. Or am I living in a dream world here!:D

Anyway, either this, or animation, will probably be the only way these lost serials will ever be seen.

[Grant]

Agreed Mojo. Apparently there were no telesnaps for the invasion but it would certainly be nice to see stuff like the daleks master plan done this way.

Grant

[drterror666]

On the official BBC Doctor Who website, there's a quote that suggests that Rose becomes something else! Like a Cyberman perhaps? :eek:

[Grant]

Ooohh looks like the daleks do turn up after all. I see a World Cup finish between the Cyberman and The Daleks....

[john]

The appearence of The Daleks must have been the worst kept secret in the good Doctor's lifetime, grant. Even my little lad knew what was going to come out when the orb opened. ;)

[Mojo]

Thoroughly enjoyed tonight's episode ( although I could have done without the Eastenders and Trisha appearances - that was just bloody stupid ).

Cybermen and Daleks in one adventure. Excellent!

And what ( or who ) is in the Dalek's 'Genesis' casket?... :eek:

[SicCoyote]

Next Ep Spoiler
dalekdeath (http://dalekpwned.ytmnd.com/)
:D

[christats]

Tonight's episode was not bad.Dalek's vs Cybermen who'd have thought it.Nearly everybody by the looks of it.

I warned that I spotted Mickey in last weeks trailer.Although I did refer to him as a Toni Basil song.
Overall its been a turgid series.Lets see if the second part goes t*ts up like the rest.

[CJ34]

I was quite forgiving of the first series, as I thought they were just trying something new and were just finding their feet. The second series, far from improving, is a total disaster, a complete and utter train wreck. Let's hope that once Billie Piper goes that things may improve.

There have been some things I've enjoyed - but overall it's just been total crap IMO. Badly scripted, badly executed and Billie Piper.

[O_Lucky_Dan]

This week's episode was better than most in the current series but I still find myself forcing me to watch it, out of some strange sense of 'duty'.

It's just too anodyne, dumbed-down, unthreatening, with bad CGI to boot. And can't they just dump Rose's mother - it's bleedin' tedium incarnate???:mad:

[CJ34]

David Tennant has the potential to be a great Doctor - but the writers keep giving him lame scripts. RTD really needs to step aside and hand over the reins to someone who will actually know what to do with the series.

The Peter Kay episode defied belief - quite possibly the worst piece of TV I have ever seen, and that's saying something. Stupid, juvenile and boring - with only the final couple of minutes actually involving the Doctor. Doctor Who with no Doctor? Unbelievable. RTD really hasn't got a clue.

[SicCoyote]

I wonder if the 'telesnaps' that exist for all of the missing Troughton serials could be computer 'animated', with the missing frames somehow computer generated. Or am I living in a dream world here!:D

Telesnaps are pretty much 1 picture per camera shot, you'd have to have a computer with a vivid imagination.

[O_Lucky_Dan]

David Tennant has the potential to be a great Doctor - but the writers keep giving him lame scripts.

He's good, likeable, energized, but he's unfortunately been asked to feign a cockney accent which is particularly grating when he gets it a bit skewiff (which is a lot of the time.) Sly McCoy was allowed to sound Scottish so why not David Tennant?

[christats]

To avoid comparisons maybe.
I am also watching out of a a sense of duty.It was a decent enough episode compared with the most of the others.
I think the problem with the cybermen is a couple of reasons.
They have become a bit cutsified,like megaman in the video games.
They also seem to have a bad cold.The robotic voice sounds as if its got a bunged up nose.
Its like old horror films,modern spit and polish takes the grimness and tension away.

[drterror666]

Well, the story didn't make any sense and I don't expect RTD to cover up any plotholes - I think we're just going to have to believe that Mickey followed the Cybermen through a hole in time brandishing a large weapon that he hid in Torchwood before he became some kind of assistant named Samuel! He didn't need any psychic paper either! Not that it would have worked.

Anyway, I rather enjoyed it! I, and everyone else, knew that the Daleks were coming out of the Voidship, but it was still good to see them. Roll on next week's battle between Cybermen and Daleks, with commentry from Tony Gubba! :D

[christats]

What about a Jonathan Pearce comentary.?As its going to be about as tense as Robot Wars.

[drterror666]

I wrote this in a post many moons ago:


Has anyone seen that they're going for a Daleks vs Cyberman two parter in the new series?

Mutual Friend wrote the following:


There will be no such story. Well, not in the next series anyway...

So, poo to you with knobs on, I say! :p

Sorry about that, I'll have to change my drugs again... :D

[WillHay]

Tonight's episode was not bad.Dalek's vs Cybermen who'd have thought it.Nearly everybody by the looks of it.

I warned that I spotted Mickey in last weeks trailer.Although I did refer to him as a Toni Basil song.
Overall its been a turgid series.Lets see if the second part goes t*ts up like the rest.

Fanfiction at its worse. Daleks Vs Cybermen. Blurgh. This is the sort of cheese that fans have been writing for years.

I'm glad I've stopped watching it! Love and Monsters did it for me, and I couldn't be bothered with any more. Sounds like I haven't missed much.

[drterror666]

I'm sure millions of families will be lapping it up on Saturday. Even though the scripts have been consistantly poor, it's still a rating's winner.

My favourite episode is still Dalek from S1. If only they could have kept the format like that one. Still, the Cyberman/Dalek battle should be harmless fum anyway.

[drterror666]

This is the Doctor's new assistant, Martha Jones, played by Freema Agyeman.

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1417279.jpg

I will definitely be glued to Season 3, even if the stories are dire! :) Anyone who thinks they've seen her before aren't seeing things. She was in Army Of Ghosts on Saturday!

Unofficial Home Page (http://freemaagyeman.com/)

[Grant]

Now shes nice Doc..... :)

[drterror666]

I like these Radio Times covers:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/radiotimes_13a_sm.jpg http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/radiotimes_13b_sm.jpg

A football match between those two would be interesting! :eek:

[Grant]

Brilliant stuff Doc, my money would go on the daleks... ;)

[drterror666]

I'd like to see the Ref give either of those the red card!

[Vaughan]

Damn - they keep getting assistants that have been hit by the ugly stick. Urgh.

[drterror666]

Black, you have no taste in women whatsoever, mate! If you think Freema is ugly, what sort of woman does it for you? I'm genuinely shocked! :eek:

[christats]

It looks like the new assistant is decided on,he's going to have a black assistant....not Mickey.
Some actress I have forgotten the name of.

I did post this a couple of weeks ago.On the 23rd June.I had read it was Freema whatshername but I didn't want to spoil the suprise about the new assistant.Or it might be memory loss due to me getting old.She looks alreet to me.

[WilsonBros]

She looks alreet to me.

Agreed - she's gorgeous! :D

THE WILSON BROS

[Mojo]

Agreed Mojo. Apparently there were no telesnaps for the invasion but it would certainly be nice to see stuff like the daleks master plan done this way.

Grant

Nice new assistant :) though I think Anna Maxwell Martin, who played Suki in last year's The Long Game would have been a good choice.

Haven't got a link for her, but I do have one for The Invasion DVD cover:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/invasion_dvd.jpg

:)

[Joe]

Series 2 has been excellent apart from love and monsters and I'm looking forward to xmas special as we have been promised a major suprise.
My moneys on Eccelstone returning for a one off.

[drterror666]

How the hell would Ecclestone appear again? What, another Two Doctors fiasco?

On the contrary, I think this season has been seriously substandard and I can only hope they do a bit better for S3.

Still, looking forward to the Dalek/Cybermen carnage later! :)

[christats]

I think they should top the multiple doctors with an episode with Ecclestone,Tennent,McCoy,McGann,C.Baker,Davidson,T.Baker in it.
The 7 Doctors 45 minute special.
My money's on the Daleks tonight until some conveniently cheesy get out clause gets written in at the end.

[Grant]

Nearly time for the season finale so let the ranting commence! :D

[john]

Nearly time for the season finale so let the ranting commence! :D

The negative ranting I assume, grant? But not from me! ;) That moment with the cyberwoman preserving her humanity while crying blood is going to stay with me for a very long time.

On a lighter note, did the laser sound effects during the cybermen/dalek battle scenes remind anyone else of the moonraker battle scenes sound effects? Sound effects library anyone? ;)

[Grant]

Nice to see the daleks whup some cyber ass. This isnt a war its pest control! Great stuff.

[NPC]

Really enjoyed this one. The black Dalek looked rather splendid and I loved the pest control line. Looking forward to the Christmas episode with Catherine Tate

[Johnny_Alucard]

The negative ranting I assume, grant? But not from me! ;) That moment with the cyberwoman preserving her humanity while crying blood is going to stay with me for a very long time.

On a lighter note, did the laser sound effects during the cybermen/dalek battle scenes remind anyone else of the moonraker battle scenes sound effects? Sound effects library anyone? ;)

Since nobody has had a rant about the season two finale, time to get the ball rolling! ;-) Admittedly, this was one of the better episodes with plenty of pace, action and incidental pleasures - such as: the forementioned tearful cyberwoman, the at times almost epic scale, and the revelation that 'genesis' was a dalek prison. But overall, this was cloying and irritating. Conveniently at hand 3D glasses to detect fall out from 'the void' - come on! Silly and childish! And can anyone explain how the cybermen managed to set up a cyber transformation plant in the heart of Torchwood without being discovered? But must heinous crime of all was the cloying sentimentality! The moment when Jackie T and her parallel world hubby were reunited, through a haze of steam was a hilarious moment. I expected Iain Cuthbertson to appear along with Jenny Agutter screaming 'My Daddy!'. If that fake 'Railway Children' moment wasn't bad enough, RTD showed his determination to beat his audience into tearful submission with the protracted Doctor-Rose 'good-bye'. This was cringe making stuff at its most overstated. To see it done properly, watch the climax of 'The Green Death', Mr Davies, surely the most moving end to any 'Who' storyline and beautifully understated. The special effects were rubbish too...am sure the appearance of Catherine 'am I bovvered' Tate in the Xmas Special will be something to look forward to as well...somehow, I think not!

[O_Lucky_Dan]

I'm just glad they got rid of the Tyler family full stop. I was sick of all the trips back & forth to Earth and the 'mobile phone' thing.

PS: Am I right in thinking that near the end when the void is sucking all the Cybermen/Daleks in, you only actually saw Daleks being sucked into the void (as Dr Who/Rose were hanging onto them clamp things) ?

[LoungeLizard]

Fully agree with Johnny Alucard re the conclusion of The Green Death. A superb finale, and proof that sentimentality works better when understated (and underscripted - and underracted etc). I also liked the Doctor's goodbye to Susan at the end of The Dalek Invasion Of Earth. Moving and so well acted.

All that was missing from that truly appalling beach scene was Tennant saying 'Never fear my Rose. I will be with thee until the end of the world' (before disappearing into a heavenly cloud)........ :rolleyes:

[richward]

I tried watching the leaving scene again this morning, but I couldn't. Obviously they wanted it to be a big Who moment but it didn't work. It was overplayed and embarassing. Oh, and that Dalek v Cyberman thing went nowhere.

[christats]

It was the damp squib I was expecting.Not the worst episode by any means but it hasn't had alot of competition.
So the Tyler family and Rose didn't die.They just went to a parallel world were all the better scripts are.

[Johnny_Alucard]

I tried watching the leaving scene again this morning, but I couldn't. Obviously they wanted it to be a big Who moment but it didn't work. It was overplayed and embarassing. Oh, and that Dalek v Cyberman thing went nowhere.

Rewatching that mawkish drivel is bravery indeed! Certainly agree with you. Davies' total lack of understanding as to what good 'Who' should be, is best illustrated in his belief that single episodes are better than the long, protracted serial format...wrong! The case in point last night was the big reveal as to what 'genesis' was - that could have been a classic cliffhanger moment, but of course in the parallel universe of 'crap Who' it was squandered and used as an after thought in the last quarter of an hour....typical!

[drterror666]

Well, I'll risk saying that the two part finale was the best S2 has delivered so far, but that's not saying much. Am I glad, as mentioned before, that the f**king Tyler family are in another dimension where they can do no damage! I did read a rumour about Billie Piper having the odd guest appearance, though. Hopefully that's a red herring!

The sight of the Daleks being sucked into the void was quite funny, and not one dent in the walls! Where was this supposed epic battle? Just as I thought, it was basically one Cyberman blowing his top and some flying Daleks.

Hopefully, fresh air will be blown into S3. Not sure if I'm looking forward to the Xmas Special, though...

[NPC]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?

[WillHay]

I'm just glad they got rid of the Tyler family full stop. I was sick of all the trips back & forth to Earth and the 'mobile phone' thing.

PS: Am I right in thinking that near the end when the void is sucking all the Cybermen/Daleks in, you only actually saw Daleks being sucked into the void (as Dr Who/Rose were hanging onto them clamp things) ?

It was dire. I stopped watching when they had the scene where Rose's mum and Dad run towards each other. HORRIBLE, cliched, sentimental crap.

[James Lee]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?

I stopped two stories into each of the two seasons but I understand why some people keep watching. There's always the chance the show would improve. Colin Baker's first story was diabolical but the stories improved quickly - and went worse even quicker. The problem with the new show's consistent awfulness is the foolishness and talent barren influence and scripts of RTD

[john]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?

You must pop into the chatroom sometime, NPC! That's what we're always wondering in there too! :rolleyes:

[CJ34]

I keep watching it because I'm a big fan of Dr Who. I keep watching in the hope that something brilliant will eventually shine through, but it never seems to. I continually keep an open mind and I would very much like to find an appreciation of the new reimagining - but I just can't. RTD cannot write for peanuts and I really don't know why he is allowed to hold the monopoly over this series. The BBC should tell him to move asied and get someone with more understanding and capability. It's not even that he doesn't grasp the idea of Dr Who, it's that he just doesn't understand the genres of sci-fi or horror and what makes them work - period.

[Mojo]

I enjoyed the last episode. Yeah - the ending was a bit slushy, but it was ok. Nice epic feel to it, though. If this had been made in the 70s, it probably would have been a 6 parter. Unfortunately, the 'MTV generation' probably wouldn't stick with it.

As for RTD, there are reports he's leaving the series...

[LoungeLizard]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?

I watched 3 episodes of the series in total. I deliberately sat through last night's episode to see if the advertised hype behind it would be worth it (it wasn't) and to see for myself if the series would end at least on a creditable note (it didn't).

[Grant]

Don't put yourself through it lads. RTD is onboard until at least end of S3 so please don't torture yourself anymore! :D

[christats]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?
Yes,even though it is on the whole poor,it is still preferable to the usual p*ss poor tripe that is put infront of us post Saturday tea time.
I think the program compared to most current early evening TV is a refreshing change.I.e trying to bring back Sci Fi Drama such as the Avengers,old Dr Who etc.
Then you compare it to the late 60's and 70's stuff.Thats where the problem lies.
It's Sh*t.

[Harold Monroe]

i saw this last night. i haven't seen any of the other recent episodes, if this is the standard of Dr. who these days I'm glad i didn't waste my time watching the other ones. absolute garbage. i used to love this show when i was younger. this was just terrible IMO.

[christats]

Well if there is any grain of truth in the rumour that R.T.Davies might be going after the 3rd series,as he is in for that?
that might be the end of Dr Who again.
Any momentum gained in the Ecclestone series has probably been lost with this series.

It is unsatisfying on all levels.
It isn't cool enough for kids,it isn't subversive enough for adults.
Its stuck probably trying to appeal to everyone and appealing to nobody.
I was watching it because I almost felt obliged to.I don't know if R.T.Davies is aware of the negative view of alot of people.
Probably not.Just probably concentrates on the gushing false TV awards progarams.

[will graham]

I knew it! The whole Rose story arc ended just like I thought it would! my friend owes me a chocolate bar!:)

Well I don't think I'll be watching series 3, at least most of it anyway.

The first series I liked about half of the episodes, this series only the Satan Pit two parter (yes I did like the second part).

I have no problems with David Tennant (the only Doctor I dislike was Colin Baker) but the stories, they just don't work.
I had no problems with Rose either (just her family) until the end. I mean she now has her dad who is now in a good relationship with her mum, she has a loyal and good boyfriend who would die for her, she has a great job and she has enough money so that she doesn't have to panic about the future....... How many 19 year olds have all that and yet she's still moaning!

I disagree with CJ34, RTD used to understand the genres but not anymore.


Anyway RTD's early sci-fi/horror work is coming out at the end of the month.
I strongly recommend getting both to see how Doctor Who could have, SHOULD have been:

www.play.com/DVD/DVD/PROD/3-/1020927/Century_Falls/Product.html

www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1020931/Dark_Season/Product.html

[drterror666]

I had no problems with Rose either (just her family) until the end. I mean she now has her dad who is now in a good relationship with her mum, she has a loyal and good boyfriend who would die for her, she has a great job and she has enough money so that she doesn't have to panic about the future....... How many 19 year olds have all that and yet she's still moaning!

I'd love to write an epilogue to this and I know I could kill RTD in th script writing stakes. Rose would be extremely traumatised, so deep was her love for the Doctor. She may reject her family and Mickey and live for the day when the Doctor may come back. I'd envisage something along the lines of what Christopher Reeves had to go through near the end of Somewhere In Time. Blub... :(

[christats]

I have seen those listed.Didn't R.T.Davies also do a daytime soap about a vicar or something to do with the Church.
I will be watching series 3 as it will probably be up against pants and dick's Saturday night takeaway or similar.

[drterror666]

Can someone please explain to me why the people who hate the series so much carry on watching it every week?

Like most others here, I watch it in the hope that it will improve. I waited years for Doctor Who to return and I'm not going to give up on it yet. S2 was definitely worse than S1, although the Satan two-parter and the finale were good. Being a story writer (hopefully novelist one day), it pains me to see what RTD has to sacrifice to fit an episode into 45/90 minutes so it can appeal to the fabled MTV generation. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to have logical, character driven stories where deus ex machina was used very little? I'd like to see the first drafts of some of those scripts as I bet they barely resemble what's seen onscreen.

[richward]

I think the soap RTD was involved with was Springhill. It was shown on Sky One and C4. 1996/97.

It was about a Liverpudlian family where the husband had originally been married to an Irish woman, dumped her for the woman he's with now, took the kids with him and they were all raised thinking the new woman was their mother. The Irish woman turns up and tries to get the kids back. The first series was pretty good but the second started to get involved with Satan's son being reborn and it just got really really silly.
Both families were Catholics and there was a heavy emphasis on Catholic guilt and religious themes.

[drterror666]

Ee, it's quiet 'round 'ere. Where'd all t'folk go? Not too impressed wi' the Doctor this time 'round, like? Would thee like more black puddin'? I've made loads!

Sorry...

[Grant]

Looks like season 3 (RTD version) is gonna be shot in hi-def.

[Johnny_Alucard]

Looks like season 3 (RTD version) is gonna be shot in hi-def.

well at least the images will be sharp then, unlike the writing, which will no doubt be as unfocused as ever....

[christats]

Is that why Billie Piper quit.She heard the next series was being shot in HD.?

[christats]

Edit is my........

Just spotted a couple more DVD releases on Outpost Gallifrey.(I think thats the website I was lookin at.) for all Tom Baker fans.No details on Play yet.

Sontaran Experiment-October 2006
Return The Master Box set-Jan 2007
Containing The Keeper of Traken,Logopolis and Castrovalva,
marking the end of T.Baker and the start of Tristram from All Creatures grate and Small.

[drterror666]

Is anyone here actually buying the S2 boxset?

[NPC]

Depends what the final design of the cyberman box looks like. At the moment I don't think I'd actually want to watch any of it again but in the future who knows. I found myself watching the McGann film a few weeks ago

[drterror666]

Did you find it any better?

[NPC]

I must be mellowing in my old age because, given the unsuitability of an American as The Master, I quite enjoyed it. Either that or the episodes that have come after have been so bad by comparison... Actually that's unfair, out of the last series the only one I actively loathed was the Olympics one. I still think they'd be much better with 5 or 10 minutes more running time, but I suppose everything has to be made to 42 minutes (including credits) so it can be sold to the rest of the world.

[christats]

The Olympics episode was the pits.I didn't squirm as much as I did with this.I still maintain the Peter Kay one was okay.If not viewed as an episode of Dr Who.
Hand Of Fear,and Tales of the Unexpected 2 on Monday.Nice.

[WillHay]

Is anyone here actually buying the S2 boxset?

Nope. I didn't mind some of season #1, but this season has been mediocre.

Judging by the huge numbers of copies of Dr Who New Series in my local virgin, I imagine it'll be in the bargain bins before long.

[Grant]

Looking forward to picking it up.

[SicCoyote]

I've just finished making my dvds of the show from sattelite recordings got all the eps, missed some of the confidentials but never mind.

Won't bother getting the box set as I didn't bother getting the first series, still vastly overpriced.

[christats]

Sadly there is no replay value in the 2 new series for me.
I will stick to the old stuff.
Hand of Fear tomorrow,another oldie that I haven't or can't remember seeing.
I would'nt mind the Rome Box set as well,to see it unedited but it got a bit boring.Will wait for that to drop.

[Mojo]

I'll pick up the 2nd series boxset ( agree about the overprice, though). Still enjoy the series, although there were some low points - ie all of RTD's stories ( apart from the two part finale ). Love And Monsters was absolutely embarrrassing.

High points for me were the two part Cybermen story, the two part finale, The Girl In In The Fireplace, The Idiot's Lantern and the performance of Elisabeth Sladen. I'm also glad to see the back of the whole 'chav family' crap.

I also thought David Tennant was excellent.

I do think RTD and fellow writers will have to raise their game for the next series. It could be make or break. Apparently, the Ice Warriors are due to return. Would like to see the Zygons, though.

As for the old series, Inferno was brilliant and am looking forward to The Invasion. :)

[SicCoyote]

I've just watched the Cyberman 2-parter for the first time, best story of the new series' so far, even if there is some simplicity stuck into it, it just felt alot more like old who. Also liked the K9 story.

Just watching Love & Monsters at the mo. before moving on to the series finale.

[christats]

I still maintain I didn't mind Love And Monsters.It wasn't Dr Who though.
Hand of Fear.Just watched.Thought I hadn't seen it but viewing the disk brings back memories.

[christats]

Edit... tonight after the debarcle that was Scarecrow gone wild,watched Creature in The Pit Vhs.
Classic Tom Baker farce,with cockney sounding barbarian bandits obsessed with metal and a giant green bin bag stuck down a hole.:)

[Mojo]

Edit... tonight after the debarcle that was Scarecrow gone wild,watched Creature in The Pit Vhs.
Classic Tom Baker farce,with cockney sounding barbarian bandits obsessed with metal and a giant green bin bag stuck down a hole.:)

Oh gawd, this was awful.

Apart from Lalla Ward :)

[christats]

Awful in a cheesy funny way.I enjoyed it.I still liked it better than any Tennant,Ecclestone story.

[Grant]

Looks like some blonde woman from Footballers Wives (?) is playing the Rani in season 3. Yippee!

[christats]

Zoe Lucker is being considered apparently.According to the Sun.
Is that RTD's game.Get somebody current or recently in people's minds to try and get viewers from other programs.
I have not seen an episode of Footballer's wives so I cannot comment on her acting,but it seems that getting a well known face is the most important.?
Bring back Tom Baker as The Master.Or maybe not.

[drterror666]

I read before somewhere that RTD was interested in bringing back a former Time Lord enemy of the Doctor's for S3, but I assumed it to be the Master. Well, at least that's two surviving Time Lords.

[christats]

On Digital Spy forum it says the BBC are denying that Zoe Lucker is in series 3.
Which might translate as,it hasn't been finalised.They got most of the other predictions right.
Then I read that there is going to be a CBBC series called "Sarah Jane investigates..."
The mind boggles.Is she going to live in a garage with a bicycle on the wall,and drive a big red car with white wheels.:eek:

[Grant]

I've read theres going to be some kind of K9 animated series maybe thats it. I don't give a fig about that one to be honest.
The Torchwood series will apparently feature that bird from Eastenders who got half changed into a cyberwoman, I hope Captain Jack gives her what for.

[drterror666]

What could you mean, Grant, you saucy devil, you! (Cue Barbara Windsor chuckle) :D

[christats]

I wonder as well.
I was thinking that the title "Sarah Jane Investigates..." reminded me of "Dan Tanner Investigates..."
A fine program.

[drterror666]

The first S3 stuff has come to light. Apparently the Doctor and Marsha will be going up against the Plasmavores (blood-sucking aliens) and the Judoon ("a clan of galactic stormtroopers") and "a sinister intelligence at work in 1930's New York." They'll also be meeting William Shakespeare. Also, Captain Jack will make an appearance in the season finale.

Apparently, the Robot Santas will be coming back for the Xmas episode, The Runaway Bride! I can hardly wait...

[Johnny_Alucard]

I read before somewhere that RTD was interested in bringing back a former Time Lord enemy of the Doctor's for S3, but I assumed it to be the Master. Well, at least that's two surviving Time Lords.

The master would be a far more interesting time lord villain than the rani, although kate o'mara was rather fetching originally...sounds like a cue for more bad, high camp pantomime to me! another nail in the 'who' universe coffin, i think!

[Johnny_Alucard]

The first S3 stuff has come to light. Apparently the Doctor and Marsha will be going up against the Plasmavores (blood-sucking aliens) and the Judoon ("a clan of galactic stormtroopers") and "a sinister intelligence at work in 1930's New York." They'll also be meeting William Shakespeare. Also, Captain Jack will make an appearance in the season finale.

Apparently, the Robot Santas will be coming back for the Xmas episode, The Runaway Bride! I can hardly wait...

I have to say DrT, it sounds grimly dire to me....

[Grant]

Looking forward to it Dr! The kids love it so its good enough for me! :D

[James Lee]

I read before somewhere that RTD was interested in bringing back a former Time Lord enemy of the Doctor's for S3, but I assumed it to be the Master. Well, at least that's two surviving Time Lords.

There's also The Meddling Monk, Omega or Borusa

[christats]

Sontaran Experiment is now on PLAY.
I was reading that Meatloaf wants to be a villan in Dr Who.
Each of his songs are about as long as an episode of Who.
I thought he'd already been in it but that was Peter Kay.

[drterror666]

Thank the gods they never got round to making this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5271054.stm)! :eek:

[richward]

What's worse is that they appear to have given that spin-off serious consideration, rather than it being a passing idea. What's going on with them? It's a lazy idea for a character who isn't that fantastic in the first place. Fine for Doctor Who but that's all.

[drterror666]

I just read a rumour that S3 is going to feature the Doctor's unknown child. Hmm...

[christats]

Isn't a time lord only supposed to regenerate 12 or 13 times.Can't remember.
So now the program could become Dr Who Jnr or Son of Who.
Sentiment and Sci Fi don't mix apart from Captain Kirk.

[James Lee]

The Doctor can only regenerate 12 times but there's nothing to stop something happening that can renew his life cycle. In The Five Doctors, this is offerred to the Master by the Time Lords as an amnesty

[NPC]

Latest spinoff http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5345442.stm

[Johnny_Alucard]

Why oh why do you do this to us RTD? This shameless milking of the 'Who' cash cow to fill BBC Wales' coffers is totally mercenery and rather depressing...

[Dracucarr]

Why oh why do you do this to us RTD? This shameless milking of the 'Who' cash cow to fill BBC Wales' coffers is totally mercenery and rather depressing...

And with kids involved we will get even more mush!

[Wayne]

Come on guys, you can always hit the off button.

Whilst I agree with you, my 7 year old daughter is really excited about this, she loves to watch Doctor Who with me, and she see this as her program, not mine.
They are of course milking it for the money, but thats what we all go to work for.

On a diffrent note, noticed this at Play: DALEK (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1111733/Doctor_Who_Dalek_Collection_Box_Set/Product.html)

[NPC]

The Invasion is now up for pre-order http://play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1126274/Doctor_Who_The_Invasion/Product.html

[WilsonBros]

Russell T Davies has said that the lowest-rated episodes of series two are the ones that took place on alien worlds. Whilst there is no disputing the ratings, but RTD is using this as an excuse to cut back budgets and have more episodes set on Earth.

Cheap bastard.

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

Ratings can be down to circumstances.Good weather,other stuff on,sporting events.
I don't care if a story is set on an alien world such as Cardiff or on earth,just make the third series better.
The next two Who releases I am looking forward to are Sontaran next month and the Master Trilogy with Tom's demise in January.

[Mojo]

Looking forward to picking up the Pat Troughton Cyberman adventure The Invasion.

Used to have it on VHS and it's excellent. Be good to see it 'cleaned up' and including the animated 'missing' episodes.

[drterror666]

I thought the Dr Who thread was gathering cobwebs now that S2 is over, so here's one of THOSE photo's of Katy Manning with Dalek chum ;)

http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/katy_manning0010.jpg

Discuss...

[christats]

Which storyline was this from.Spearhead from Space.

(Before anyone picks I was trying to be smutty,I know that was the Autons.Pity its only a photo.)
Thats the directon the 3rd new series should take.Put it on after 10 pm and s*d the kids.

[WilsonBros]

We're looking forward to The Sontaran Experiment & we're REALLY looking forward to The Invasion, as we are huge fans of Pat Troughton.

Not really that jazzed about the Master trilogy, as Logopolis was just awful.

THE WILSON BROS

[NPC]

Will the next series be the last for Tennant? http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/tm_headline=fleeting-tennant-of-tardis&method=full&objectid=17916310&siteid=94762-name_page.html Not a bad idea in my opinion but who to replace him? How about Sean Pertwee, Brian Cox or Bill Nighy

[christats]

Mr Tennant is afraid of becoming typecast.When I think of Dr Who in years to come his name won't be in my head.

It will always be stuffy Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker.
Who to replace him.? Bill Nighy I can't watch because of the banal Rom Coms he has been in.
Sean Pertwee has some kind of logic,but would always be compared to his dad.
Maybe Julian Rind Tutt as he has Tom Baker style hair.

[Grant]

I'd vote Barry Convex or Zanner.

[Mojo]

We're looking forward to The Sontaran Experiment & we're REALLY looking forward to The Invasion, as we are huge fans of Pat Troughton.THE WILSON BROS

You're in for a treat with The Invasion. It's a cracking story with a great performance from Pat.

Can't wait to get my ( silver ) mitts on this remastered version :)

[NPC]

Torchwood BBC3 9pm 22.10.06 and BBC2 9pm 25.10.06

[WilsonBros]

You're in for a treat with The Invasion. It's a cracking story with a great performance from Pat.

Yeah, it IS a great story!

We're trying to get our hands on a review copy of it.

THE WILSON BROS

[christats]

I have gone back on my word abit.
I was going to stick to Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee on DVD.Today I bought 2 each of Peter Davidson and Colin Baker stories to get a Who Fix.In the Woolies buy one get one free promotion.
Vengence on Varos,Revelation of the Daleks,Earthshock and Ressurection of the Daleks.
I am not very familiar with the Davidson and C.Baker era and may not have spent my £34 wisely.
At least there is Nicola Bryant to look at.

If I'm feeling flush I might start on the Troughton and maybe Hartnell ones and the rest of Davidson/C.Baker,apart from Sylvester McCoy.
I refuse McCoy.I will never be too drunk to watch him.

[CJ34]

Funny thing, christats, I'm in the same position. Having already picked up all the Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee DVDs, I'm now dipping my toes in unfamiliar territory and taking a chance on some Peter Davison stories.

[Grant]

I watched a few of the McCoy ones. The best were the curse of fenric and remembrance of the daleks imo. Most of the others were incredibly bad.

[christats]

Alot of the Dr Who DVD's are a similar price on Play.I started watching Revelation of the Daleks,8 mins into it it froze and I had to switch the DVD player off and on to get it out.:eek: One for replacement.:(
So I watched Vengence on Varos instead.Fair to middling story,but Nicola Bryant in the blue shorts and tight top makes the £8.50 seem worthwhile.:)

Alot of people seems to like alot of the Troughton stories.The only thing I have against them,as with series like Steptoe are the grainy B&w,but I might have a go.
After watching my first C.Baker story,I would have him over the last 3 to play Doctor Who and the McGann film.(Which should have been better material for a capable actor.)

[James Lee]

There was a problem with Revelation Of The Daleks where the CGI branch didn't work with some players. See here for more details - http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57921

[christats]

Thanks,I hate taking disks back.Maybe a replacement wouldn't solve the problem.It seems that my Cambridge Audio player freezes at about the point DVD times suggest.8 mins in.
I will have to have a tinker or put it in another player.

Edit....Just played about with the menu's turning the CGI option on and going to play and its working now.
A deadly disk,when it froze I couldn't even eject it.Had to turn the player off and on and eject it.

[mrb]

I saw a trailer for TORCHWOOD at the cinema last week. Can't remember ever seeing a tv programme trailed at the pictures before.
The makers must have faith in it to put it on a big screen, it looked okay.

[christats]

I am on holiday for a couple of days.Doing the obligitary painting of rooms.
I was brought up on Tom Baker and a bit of Jon Pertwee.A couple of posts ago I mentioned I bought a bit of the Davidson and Colin Baker era.Not being that familiar with either.
Last night I watched Vengence on Varos and tonight watched Earthshock.
I still haven't changed my mind as to who is/was the best Who.
I enjoyed both stories,but its still Tom Baker for me.
Davidson seems to be snappy and energetic,while C.Baker seemed to be laid back and a sly side.Sort of bits of Tom Baker in each.
Maybe if I watch more of the two actors I will have a different view.
I do have the five doctors and the Visitation on their way to me.So I will see.Unless its the paint fumes getting to me.

[drterror666]

There's only one reason to watch Colin Baker's era...

http://www.twyn-y-berllan.com/themes/Images/Peri.jpg

[christats]

Couldn't agree more.Good enough reason for me to buy C.Baker DVD'S when cheap.
Not because I am a Who fanatic.I will get the Master trilogy in January because I am a Tom Baker era completist.Although I hear that the stories surrounding his transformation into Tristram arn't that great.

[drterror666]

I think the problem with Tom Baker's later seasons was that they were watered down because of the violence debate thing. All the monsters disappeared and the stories became more dramatic sci-fi. I kind of lost interest in the series about that time, even though I did keep watching.

[christats]

I have have experienced my third non-Tom Baker/Pertwee story tonight.After Vengence of Varos and Earthshock watched Caves Of Androzani.
I really enjoyed it.Gimp in a cave with a corrupt mining boss as an enemy.
The disease the Doctor had was very serious.His mocking captors mentioned the stages.
Didn't mention the last one.Putting on weight and hair going curly.:eek:

[NPC]

Cushing DVDs

Compared the Anchor Bay R1 issues with the new Optimum R2 issues last night.

Picture-little difference, Optimum reveals slightly more in dark areas but looks fractionally bleached in lighter ones. Quality is excellent on both, bit rates seem about the same, more chapter points on Anchor Bay, animated menus on Anchor Bay. Importantly the Optimum returns the robbery scene to the correct pre-credits location on Invasion Earth.

Extras-Optimum, Dalekmania documentary and commentary on the first film. Anchor Bay has these two items (documentary on a third disc), Peter Cushing text bios, Doctor Who history text, reasonably large photo galleries and theatrical trailers. Disappointing Optimum didn't transfer all the extras

Packaging-Anchor Bay, three DVDs in individual Amarays slipcased with photo montage art, four page photo/text inserts for each film, chapter card for Dalekmania. Optimum, single width Amaray with moving retainer for second disc, cardboard slipcase with metallic highlights. Invasion "Poster" only four times the size of DVD case. A few small trading cards in sealed envelope. Considering the wonderfully gaudy posters for these films artwork is poor on Anchor Bay and terrible on Optimum.

Conclusion-if you can live with the wrongly placed scene the Anchor Bay R1 set is the best deal

[WilsonBros]

I think the problem with Tom Baker's later seasons was that they were watered down because of the violence debate thing.

Tom Baker's final season was pretty bad - possibly because Baker himself was bored with the show. It could also be the fact that John Nathan Turner had worked his way up to being head honcho. It could be argued that the terminal decline of the show began with Baker's final year.

THE WILSON BROS

[john]

There's only one reason to watch Colin Baker's era...

http://www.twyn-y-berllan.com/themes/Images/Peri.jpg


Totally in agreement with you there, dr... :cool:

[christats]

.....Anyway Mark of The Rani.Ok,which seems to Colin Baker's middle name.
The only disapointment was that Nicola Bryant was in a pantomine reject dress.
Still the DVD was in the 2 for 1 offer at Whsmith's so I got it with the Mind Robber.I believe this one's a good one.?

[Mojo]

Still the DVD was in the 2 for 1 offer at Whsmith's so I got it with the Mind Robber.I believe this one's a good one.?

The Mind Robber is a good 'un. Probably one of the most original Who stories ever.

I'm half way through watching The Invasion, which is terrific. Pat Troughton's Doctor is rapidly becoming one of my favourite Who eras.

[WilsonBros]

Yeah, the Cosmic Hobo is certainly our favourite Doctor.

We're just putting the finishing touches on a review of The Invasion.

THE WILSON BROS

[Mojo]

Yeah, the Cosmic Hobo is certainly our favourite Doctor.

We're just putting the finishing touches on a review of The Invasion.

THE WILSON BROS

Look forward to reading it!

This is a terrific release. Great story, great performances ( hats off to Kevin Stoney as Tobias Vaughan ) and great extras.

Good to see a story intelligently told ( with no 'padding' ) over eight episodes.

Having originally seen this on VHS, this is a massive step up, pq wise ( particularly in the studio - bound scenes ).

As for the animated 'lost' episodes, they are excellent. The missing Tenth Planet episode must surely be next? This must be the way in which to release entire 'lost' adventures. Fury From The Deep would be my choice.

Great stuff. Of all the Who DVD releases I have ( about half of them ) this is the best by far.

[orgasmo]

david tennant has been voted the fans favorite in doctor who magazine.:eek:
this shows how quickly viewers have taken to david.so says the editor of doctor who magazine.
no it does,ent.
what it shows is that the vast minority will always favour the in thing at the time only to then say it about the next doctor whoever she or he may be.:rolleyes:.
what next torchwood voted best adult sci-fi of the last decade.:(

billie piper was voted best assistant.
I rest my case.:(

[SicCoyote]

I think it's the influx of a bunch of idiots and Squeeeeeing girls into the Fanomenon flooding it with Tennant and Billy fans.

Personally I'm rank them both worst in their catagories
well it's close with Davison and Turlo.

[christats]

I like Dr Who,but not enough to buy Dr Who magazine.

Was the survey to decide the best Dr one like the religious survey in Michael Rimmer,were everyone in the town said they were buddist.

[Johnny_Alucard]

david tennant has been voted the fans favorite in doctor who magazine.:eek:
this shows how quickly viewers have taken to david.so says the editor of doctor who magazine.
no it does,ent.
what it shows is that the vast minority will always favour the in thing at the time only to then say it about the next doctor whoever she or he may be.:rolleyes:.
what next torchwood voted best adult sci-fi of the last decade.:(

billie piper was voted best assistant.
I rest my case.:(

Quite agree there, the last time Tom Baker was beaten into 2nd place as best Who ever in DHM was when Sylvester McCoy was voted best Doctor in 1990...figure that out! He was great in Tiswas but...

[mrb]

Re xmas special : what a load of old bollox that was then.
"I'm making it up as I go along", you said it Davies you, er, writer you.

That new assistant and the monsters in the new series they previewed looked ok though.