Deranged (Jeff Gillen & Alan Ormsby, 1974) Merged)

[haydw]

right....
would anyone know what the quality is like of these 2 films on the mgm/midnite movies label(region 1)???mainly DERANGED...is it uncut?,good/ok print?..im assuming MOTEL HELL is(uncut)....
cheeeeers
H

[the13thman]

I believe they are R rated, but thats without checking. Personally I found these films dull, unfunny and tame and am glad I didn't buy them (a friend had the unfortunate pleasure).

I'm more interested in The Attic/Crawlspace disc. I have the Vestron VHS of Crawlspace (Klaus Kinski as a murderous pervert Nazi landlord - can't be beaten!) but don't know if MGM's R rated version is the same, the NTSC running time looks lower than the PAL VHS, though I haven't gone much past looking at the boxes.

MGM also put out the R-rated Edge of Sanity, which I was quite upset about (as there is an unrated version) so you have to make sure with their discs, as attractively priced as they may be.

[Paul WJM]

Somebody know which film (Deranged) has been released? There were a couple with that title and I remember liking one, with some crazy woman wondering about her apartment for the entire film. I think it was called Deranged anyway.

Haydw, saw Motel Hell appear in a budget shop near me for an incredibly low price so you may just wanna buy it regardless of the quality if you see it.

13th I remember those films you're talking about coming out years ago on the Vestron label and most seemed to have vanished from Brit shelves since. Another I quite liked at the time was Vampire in Venice, again with nutty Klaus, remember that one?

[claire]

Hi Haydw

It's the 1974 version of DERANGED (with Roberts Blossom as an Ed Gein type). Brilliant film, but sadly cut.

MOTEL HELL, as far as I can gather, is uncut.


Shame about DERANGED being cut - and I'd like to know the quality of the print myself! (for a tenner, I'd pick this disc up too!)

[the13thman]

Vestron stuff is hard to get out onto DVD unfortunately, there are all manner of rights nightmares here and in the US. MGM seems to have ended up with a lot of it in the US at least.

I have Vampire in Venice on tape somewhere (Christopher Plummer in it too I think), haven't watched it for years though I do recall quite enjoying it. Crawlspace and Android are the other two Klaus Kinski films I particularly want to get on disc. I've not yet seen Android, have been waiting for someone to release that on disc for ages.

I had a film called Deranged a while ago (got shot of it), it was an early directorial effort from Peter Fonda set in post-apocalyptic times featuring Keith Carradine and an amusing ending. There must be a lot of films with that title.

[Paul WJM]

Seems so. I've a copy of that film that Claire is on about though (Ed Gein) which seemed okay but not the classic that some people hailed it as.

Aint seen Android myself either. May seem like a silly question, but is it a sci-fi movie? 'Tis odd to think of our beloved, late Kinski in a sci-fi movie.

[haydw]

hi all,
cheers claire etc
yeah its the ed gein one,and im surprised you prefer ATTIC/CRAWLSPACE to this 13!(im not a big fan of MOTEL HELL tho)cos i thought CRAWL was pap(tho a mate of mine disagrees),and what ATTIC is it?,not the carol lynley thing?..,plus im not too bothered about the cuts(yes!,i did just say that!)cos the disc isnt for me,hahahaha!..
cheers for the info tho....

[the13thman]

Crawlspace is most definitely pap - Charles Band did produce - but I find given a crazy enough central performance (and Kinski's certainly is) to amuse me I can forgive almost any poor plotting, lack of gore or bad charcterisation/acting. I gather many people don't think much of it at all but if everyone thought the same the world would be very boring.

I haven't yet seen The Attic (Carrie Snodgress, Ray Milland) but gather its a slow Gothic affair with a good last 10 minutes. Can't recall if Carol Lynley is in it.

I felt Deranged really just didn't have anything to set it apart from all the other Ed Gein type movies. Granted, the dull, unfunny and tame tag probably applies more to Motel Hell but I can't say I found Deranged interesting enough to want to own.

And Paul, Android is sci-fi (Don Opper involved I believe, unless I'm getting confused with Critters) but I have never got around to seeing it despite hearing nothing but good things.

[CJ34]

The print of CRAWLSPACE on the MGM disc is very nice, and I quite enjoyed the film. THE ATTIC was utter crap though.

BTW - if you look on the BBFC database you'll find that the UK release of CRAWLSPACE suffered extensive cuts.

[the13thman]

Cheers CJ, I had totally forgotten to check the BBFC site. I’ll definitely be picking this up now, and disposing of the VHS.

[haydw]

oh right,it's not the carol lynley thing then(THE ATTIC im on about)

[claire]

I'm thinking of ordering the DERANGED/MOTEL HELL R1 DVD, as the former is a favourite of mine.

Can anyone tell me what's cut from the film? Aren't the cuts different to what was edited from the UK VHS release in the late 90s?

Cheers!

[MarcMorris]

You're referring to DERANGED? The DVD omits a short sequence in which Ezra Cobb cuts off the top of a skull and scoops the brains out. This scene is present in the original Moore Video VHS release from the US.

The UK release (from Exploited) deleted blood on breasts.

[Drexl]

I like Deranged - it's good fun and has a fair few shocks along the way.

Just for the record, the pic. quality on the USA double bill is pretty good - well worth the cheap price, even if Motel Hell is a weak support feature ;) Deranged looks really nice, especially the end scenes in the forest..

[claire]

Thanks for the info, Marc and Drexl. I'll order this then - a personal favourite.

Can't believe the (incredibly tame) scene of brain-scooping has been excised. Shame.

I agree, Drexl - MOTEL HELL is pretty poor in comparison.

[MarcMorris]

The brain scene wasn't cut from the MGM DVD - It just wasn't included in MGM's negative.

The scene was restored by the producer himself for the Moore Video release.

[PC_Arcade]

I like Motel Hell, It's funny.

"It takes all sorts of critters..........TO MAKE FARMER VINCENTS FRITTERS" LOL

[Roberto]

Bob Clarks Deranged. i have the r1 version which has no extras and which i have heard is cut (or incomplete).

[claire]

EXPLOITED began preparing a UK DVD release of DERANGED about 4 years ago (even shot half of a proposed 30 minute featurette), but their plans were scuppered when they discovered the worldwide rights were owned by MGM ...

[mbellishment]

I own a VHS copy of the Exploited release of Deranged and it has a sticker on the cover saying 'includes a 30 min documentary' which wasn't actually on the video... wierd.

[claire]

There is a featurette on the UK VHS, but it's not 30 minutes long. It's basically some behind-the-scenes footage with Savini commentating.

Keep watching after the end credits of the main feature. It should be on there.

[mbellishment]

I did, I FFwd it to the end... I must have recieved a duff vid or something...:(

[GoreDVDKing]

Do you have any plans to release Deranged?

[claire]

MGM own the DVD rights. I remember when Exploited were planning a UK DVD release (they even had interviews filmed for part of a planned 30 minute featurette) - but unfortunately it was not to be!!

[Grant]

There's a great midnite movies double bill with 'Motel Hell' on R1 for about a tenner. If your a purist there is an oop (I believe?) version with some extra brain scooping possibly may be acquired on Amazon or E-Bay.

Grant

[MarcMorris]

The extended version was released by Moore Video in the US and was subsequently sub-licensed by Cine City in Holland.

[mbellishment]

Originally posted by claire
MGM own the DVD rights. I remember when Exploited were planning a UK DVD release (they even had interviews filmed for part of a planned 30 minute featurette) - but unfortunately it was not to be!!

I have the VHS of the Exploited release, and there is a red sticker on the front saying -
"SPECIAL COLLECTORS BONUS! - The Making Of Deranged - featuring rare behind the scenes footage and interviews with Jeff Gillen, Tom Karr & Tom Savini"
but after scouring the tape from beginning to end, there was no COLLECTORS BONUS features... shame!!!

[claire]

It is on the tape - it comes on at the very end, after the film has finished. I think it's about 12 minutes long (I sold the tape years back) and is basically behind-the-scenes footage with Savini commentary.

[mbellishment]

No it's not on my tape Claire... I think we've had this conversation before :D , but couldn't remember how it was resolved... I must have bought a dud, as the tape ends about 3 minutes after the feature does... and ive checked about 100 times...

[claire]

Yeah, that rings a vague bell!

Aah well, you're not missing much ... grainy on-set footage accompanied by Savini commenting on how he's had his nose fixed since then, and stuttering awkwardly when explaining that Cobb's mother was played by (I think) the director's wife, and is not as old/ugly as they've made her look in the film!

[claire]

From MGM, this budget R1 disc robs any self-respecting horror fan with a multi-region player of any excuse not to check out either of these films …

MOTEL HELL is a low-budget horror from 1980, directed by Kevin Connor (AT THE EARTH'S CORE; FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE). It tells the tale of Farmer Vincent - whose flame-grilled meat is famous in the backwoods (but what's the secret ingredient?!).

After falling for the pretty girlfriend of one of his victims, Vincent finds she is reluctant to join the family business of harvesting humans until they are ripe to cook - and must therefore get rid of her to keep his secret safe. But his cop brother has other ideas …

MOTEL HELL's filled with great performances, likeable characters and enough inventive moments to keep the film compelling, despite it's lack of gore. It's strong points are the witty script and Rory Calhoun's standout turn as Farmer Vincent - at once amusing and totally sinister.

The version on offer here is uncut (unlike the slightly trimmed version released on pre-cert VHS in the UK all those years ago by Warner).

MOTEL HELL looks great - again, nice and sharp and clear. MGM have done sterling jobs on the mastering of both of these films. Again, the film is presented in anamorphic 1.85:1.

Audio on MOTEL HELL is available in English (stereo surround - very competent, 2.0), Spanish (Stereo Surround) and French mono. Removable subtitles are available in each of these languages.

Just as MOTEL HELL was overlooked at the time of it's release, due to the unfortunate timing of the more sensational (though infinitely less interesting) FRIDAY THE 13TH, DERANGED was released in 1974 and inspired by the true-life exploits of serial killer Ed Gein … oops, so was THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE. With a title like that, CHAIN SAW was always going to steal the limelight!

But DERANGED has emerged over the years as a cult classic in it's own right. And deservedly so.

The film plays like a mock documentary in the early parts, with a walk-on character addressing the screen as he recounts the sad tale of Ezra Cobb (the brilliant Roberts Blossom - THE QUICK & THE DEAD, etc).

We see Ezra as a lonely middle-aged man, committed to tending for his sick elderly mother.

Mother has dominated Ezra's life, and we bear witness to her warning him away from women. Sex is, after all, evil …

Ezra's mother dies shortly afterwards (while being force-fed some horrible green goo by her son). In what is a strangely moving scene, Ezra tries desperately to stop the inevitable from happening - frantically begging his mother to be okay as blood pisses from her nose.

The film steps up a gear from here, as the presenter becomes little more than a narrator (before being dispelled with entirely toward the latter end of the film). Ezra combats depression and loneliness for a time, before eventually journeying to the local graveyard in the dead of night and digging the corpse of his mother up.

Once mother is home though, she begins to 'speak' to Ezra … and it's not long before he's digging up more corpses and taking them home as company for mommie dearest.

Grave-robbing soon leads to murder though, as Ezra begins setting his sights on women he'd like to bed … but can't because of the guilt his mother has instilled in his sexual urges!

It's at this point that DERANGED really becomes a joy to behold, with one bizarrely effective set-piece after another.

There's a failed date scene involving a fake séance that will amuse as much as it does repel … and if that doesn't do it for you, what about when Cobb takes a waitress home and sits her round the table with his decomposing 'friends'?!

DERANGED benefits from excellent performances, some grisly FX from a young Tom Savini, great direction from Jeff Gillen and Alan Ormsby, and a clued-up understanding of it's own absurd subject matter. Pitch-black humour doesn't even come close to describing this one …

Blossom is simply wonderful in the role of Cobb. He illicits laughs from the audience when required, can effortlessly become menacing at the drop of a hat - and best of all, knows exactly how to play on the audience's emotions and make them feel sympathy towards his character. For this type of film, in fact, I'd go so far as to say it's a tour-de-force performance.

The print on offer here is superb. Really sharp and clear, it's a vast improvement on the VHS released in the UK by Exploited in the late 90s. Presented in 1.85:1, it's also been 16x9 enhanced, and looks a treat.

The mono soundtrack is an improvement on previous releases too, and the addition of removable subtitles (in English, French or Spanish) is very welcome indeed.

Sadly, this is not the full uncut version of the film. While MGM's disc includes the notorious finale that the BBFC excised from Exploited's release (approximately 18 seconds), it is unfortunately lacking a 4 (?) second shot of Ezra scooping a skull empty, that was originally cut by the MPAA upon the movie's theatrical release.

I wouldn't advise that the above dissuade potential buyers though - this is the longest, most complete version there's been so far … and UK rights are tied up with MGM, so even if they do release this classic film over here we're bound to get the same version!

Both films have static menu pages, and carry their original US theatrical trailer as a token extra.

The disc is double-sided (DERANGED on side A/ MOTEL HELL on side B) and has been Region 1 NTSC encoded. Housed in a black keepcase packaging.

Worth the price for DERANGED alone. A true bargain when you take MOTEL HELL into consideration too (which actually improves upon repeat screenings …)!


Released by MGM
Region 1 NTSC
Rated R
Extras : Trailers

[Grant]

Great review Claire, one of my favourite discs

Grant :)

[mbellishment]

Excellent stuff Claire... I really need to acquire this disc soon as Deranged is a little gem and one of my fav movies. I found it quite a disturbing film, despite the almost funny intervention of the narrator at key moments... this is probably down to the way that the characters are developed by the director (I actually really sympathise for Ezra in the film). The hunting down of Sally Mae at the end is one of the most tension building scenes in the genre IMO.

[mbellishment]

Anyone who is curious about either of these films... Ive just got a copy of ebay for about £8 inc delivery from the States... and there are a few copies left.

[npm325]

Or you could just get it from DVDPacific

Deranged (http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=39792)

[mbellishment]

Yeah I went there but I dont have a credit card... only PayPal or Switch/Maestro... which makes that site pretty useless to me :(

[claire]

I ordered the disc from PlayUSA.com using a Switch card. It was £9.99 (inc p+p) and I had it 4 days later.

A couple of pounds more expensive, maybe ... but still a much appreciated bargain.

[claire]

Check out Blue Underground's DEATHDREAM disc, due out at the end of June.

It looks like the disc has the behind-the-scenes featurette that was originally included on the UK VHS video of DERANGED (with Savini commentating). This featurette also includes footage of the 'brain scooping' that is not present in the R1 DVD.

[Ade]

Deranged (1974)
Directors: Alan Ormsby and Jeff Gillen
DVD: MGM Region 1

Ezra Cobb is a middle-aged eccentric who lives with his beloved mother on a backwoods farm. When the domineering matriarch chokes to death on a spoonful of pea-soup, Cobb is left lost in the wilderness. One year on, and he decides to resurrect her corpse and undertake some repair work using fresher cadavers from the local cemetery. Very soon, his fetid dwelling is full of dripping corpses but still his loneliness persists and so he turns his attention to the young and living, his bloodlust fuelled by memories of his mother’s rantings. “They’re all whores!!”.

Deranged (1974) is one of those movies that invariably attracts positive reviews and gushing feedback from horror fans but, until my third viewing last night, I just didn’t “get” it. And that always frustrated me – as the film has all the ingredients that would normally appeal to me. So recently I decided to give Deranged another chance and, quite unexpectedly, I was absolutely gripped from start-to-finish.

It’s amazing your opinion of a particular film can be so heavily influenced by your mood at the time, and I’ve found this tends to be the case with movies that have more insidious, subtle qualities. When I’d seen Deranged previously, it was always part of some kind of movie-marathon (film fests – at home and at the cinema) and I think I was just too mentally tired to appreciate its nuances. Waiting impatiently for the next moment of gory outrage, I only found tedium in the quiet funereal gloom that comprises much of its running time.

However, after revisiting Deranged, my opinions have changed drastically. This is a marvellous piece of rural gothic drama with an incredible performance by Roberts Blossom as the Gein-inspired geek. What becomes obvious right from the opening scenes is the care invested in the project by the film-makers – this is no exploitation quickie! The script is full of subtle black humour and effective naturalistic dialogue imparted by very competent performers. Blossoms is particularly impressive with his birdlike face and a remarkable array of facial expressions – you can’t help but be engrossed by his childlike reactions to the world around him. But there’s a rare subtlety here and an effort to bring humanity to the character; Cobb is a maniac but he’s also an innocent, twisted by the evangelical ravings of his mother.

The tangible atmosphere of decay in Cobb’s farmhouse homestead is created by some minimal but effective set design, funeral parlour organ music, and Tom Savini’s dummy corpses. While not especially realistic, Cobb’s decomposing house-guests have a genuinely nightmarish visual quality, creating a hauntingly surreal tableaux as they sit around the dinner table; eerily passive witnesses to Cobb’s crazed attack on his nubile victim. With a human leg bone, no less!

The film’s climax is satisfyingly tense culminating with a stomach-churning (but not anatomically graphic) disembowelment that only recently irked the BBFC when Exploited submitted their version (the old “blood on breasts” taboo, presumably). In those final scenes, we see Cobb crossing the line – the childlike innocence has evaporated and he has become a fully-fledged blood-hungry ghoul. The gradual build-up to his final crime makes this final phase of his transformation all the more powerful. Some have bemoaned the absence of a brain-removal scene – as included uncut on the Exploited tape – but this was never included in the theatrical print and while it’s goofy and gory fun, the film’s power remains undiminished.

You could celebrate and analyse the multi-faced nature of Deranged for page after page but it’s only when you give the film the close attention that it deserves, that the true qualities emerge. And I just feel like a complete idiot for lazily dismissing it as overrated in the past.

Now, what other films can I revisit?

VISUAL: Anamorphic and a fine detailed transfer. The muted wintery colours are pleasingly served; and the odd dash of garish red cuts through dramatically. Very little grain.

AUDIO: A little on the subdued side during the quieter sequences but the dialogue is always audible. The music is restrained in the mix but this part of the film’s character.

EXTRAS: Disappointingly, only a trailer but it is in good condition and a great example of 70’s exploitation promotion. “Stop..for beyond lies madness” (I paraphrase!). This is a movie that deserves more but you can’t really complain when MGM have included the entertaining Motel Hell as a co-feature for a bargain price.

[Mark Y]

I like this movie, although it's one I don't revisit too often. Sometimes it's a bit strange, like having the onscreen narrator guy. It's a shame the MGM DVD couldn't include the restored scenes and short documentary that were on the tape versions, but that fact alone makes the Exploited tape an essential purchase for fans of the film, despite the cuts. I always remember Sky showing the uncut theatrical version in the early 90s, which was quite a surprise at the time.

[Ade]

>Sometimes it's a bit strange, like having the onscreen narrator guy.

Yeah, it’s a bit incongruous – that guy’s contributions belong in a far trashier movie. I find him amusing and he’s not too intrusive as things progress.

>It's a shame the MGM DVD couldn't include the restored scenes and >short documentary that were on the tape versions, but that fact alone >makes the Exploited tape an essential purchase

I’ve held onto my Exploited tape but as I have an aversion to VHS these days, I probably won’t be digging it out of the loft anytime soon. Btw, the brain-scooping can be seen on BU Deathdream DVD (the Tom Savini doc). I can’t remember what the Exploited doc was like – only watched it once.

>I always remember Sky showing the uncut theatrical version in the >early 90s, which was quite a surprise at the time.

Yeah, and it was such a rare movie at that time – in any form. My first experience of it was on a really fuzzy bootleg – which didn’t help my initial appreciation. I wonder if it’d get through the BBFC unscathed these days. Are bloody breasts still a no-no, Marc?

It’s quite interesting this phenomena where your opinion of a film can change greatly according to mood. I remember watching Franco’s Eugenie..Her Journey for the first time when I was full of cold and drowsy. I really couldn’t see why it was so loved by Francophiles. Watched it again some months later and it all came into focus. Again, that’s a movie with subtle nuances that only emerge on repeated viewings.

[mbellishment]

Cheers Ade, this is one of my favourites ever. I have the DVD (I think I paid about £4 for it and is well worth every penny) and the Exploited VHS (I must of got a VHS from a bad batch, as my VHS doesnt contain the documentary, despite having a sticker on the front claiming that it does).

Roberts Blossom is totally amazing in this film, his facial expressions are so over-the-top that he portrays the disturbed loner in fine convincing fashion.
I love the look of the film, a very desaturated looking print adds to the coldness of not only the surrounding environment, but also the disturbing subject matter... helped along by lashings of black humour (I love the way the mother lying on her death-bed refers to her friend as a 'big heffer' :D ).

That final scene is one of the most disturbing scenes I've seen in a movie ever, despite all of the Mordums etc...

For the price there really is no excuse not to grab this film right now if ya aint seen it... ;)

[drterror666]

I don't know if you saw this, but this is what I posted in the Unreleased Video Nasties thread:

There's an uncut German R2 of Deranged here (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/dvd-de/B00026M6EK/028-3857154-1628510). It's anamorphic widescreen and apparently has quite a good selection of extras (I'm not sure whether they're in German or not). The only thing is that the 'brain-scooping' scene is of slightly inferior quality, probably because it came from a different master.

Just so no one who's interested misses out! :)

EDIT: I just found what special features are on this disc:

- Making Of
- "The Ed Gein Story"
- Ed Gein: American Maniac
- Making Of "Deranged 2" / "Creep"
- Trailer / Teaser
- 24 page Booklet (although I expect this is in German)

[Ade]

>and the Exploited VHS (I must of got a VHS from a bad batch, as my >VHS doesnt contain the documentary, despite having a sticker on the >front claiming that it does).

Yeah, I’d read somewhere that a number of copies were missing the doc. A real pain if you’re a huge fan of the film. Perhaps it might be worth getting the German release that Doc Terror refers to. Looks to be a real bargain – might indulge myself. Wonder what the Deranged 2 extra comprises of. I wasn’t aware that a sequel had ever been in the works.

>Roberts Blossom is totally amazing in this film, his facial >expressions are so over-the-top

He reminded me of a silent movie era performer with all those oddball expressions. It’s strange - it’s over-the-top, as you say, but there’s something very natural about it too. That’s testament to his acting skills, I reckon.

>I love the look of the film, a very desaturated looking print adds >to the coldness of not only the surrounding environment,

It’s a very bleak wintery film. One of the images that stays with me is the long-shot of the naked girl suspended upside-down in the barn; her pale flesh almost glowing against the gloomy, overcast setting.

>I love the way the mother lying on her death-bed refers to her >friend as a 'big heffer'

There’s some great little incidental lines throughout. For some strange reason, I like Cobb’s repeated description of the soup “good ‘n’ hot” that he feeds his mom. “Yessum” is also a cool word. Remember, the drunk in the bar leering over the waitress – his lines are really funny.

On a different note; in terms of the quease-factor, the bit where his mum gobs blood into her soup spoon is pretty nauseating. It’s that combo of mushy pea green and Savini ketchup…nasty.

[zanner]

as i mentioned (on another thread) i am going to get deranged 1974 , now i thought the only version available was the ABUS double feture with 'motel hell' !! well after a lot of searching & time, i have come across this little beauty, (it even has the brain scooping scene intact) i think i will go for this one :-

http://cweb2.millenianet.com/cgi-bin/ccdbdis.pl?merchant=diabolik01&action=item&ItemID=derangedde&inum=86&Category=New%20This%20Week

zanner.

[MarcMorris]

As I said in my previous post, the 'brain scooping' inserts were sourced from a VHS tape.

[zanner]

yeah, but this one has got a nice load of extras... :) ...zanner.

[mbellishment]

Zanner... check out Ade or Claire's review on Deranged. It is a class movie - one of my faves.

You know what though zanner... the brain scooping scene only goes on for about 10 seconds and aint that great really... if I were you I'd save yourself a few quid and buy the R1 MGM release. It comes with Motel Hell, which is a very entertaining movie IMO.

[drterror666]

Oi! Zanner! We've already been through this one. I detailed the extras on the German DVD here (http://www.anchorbay.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=63767&postcount=5) on this very forum.

[Count Yorga]

Ive got a couple of dvds from this company Legend Home Video,(which relesed Deranged) Kingdom of the Spiders (Mörderspinnen in German) :eek:
and some other film which i cant remember at the moment, and they are very well presented.
/Jörgen

[woodkeeper]

As I said in my previous post, the 'brain scooping' inserts were sourced from a VHS tape.

Slightly off topic this but I'm gonna ask it... does video-sourcing, as in AB's DIr CUt of 'Army Of Darkness', mean that the only way to have this footage in the movie is to insert it in that quality? (that make sense?) The only reason I ask is because the R3 ARMY OF DARKNESS has the all the dir cut footage only from a different master. As a result this footage matches the films colour, tone, sound etc. :confused: How'd that happen?

[Grant]

Probably because MGM are the only ones who had access to the original negative. However, most majors don't seem that bothered about uncut horrors therefore they won't sub-license them but hang on to them in the hope of a remake I think :D

Grant :)

[woodkeeper]

Probably because MGM are the only ones who had access to the original negative. However, most majors don't seem that bothered about uncut horrors therefore they won't sub-license them but hang on to them in the hope of a remake I think :D

Grant :)

Well at least they put them out there in someway. Although it was yet another version of ARMY OF DARKNESS on the shelf. It's arrival prompted the usual "But you've already got like 5 copies of it!" from the missus. How little she truly understands :p

[42ndStreetFreak]

Lets all blame those that ARE to blame for all this fuss...THE BBFC.
IF they had not cut the otherwise excellent 'Exploited' tape we would already have a perfect release of "Deranged".
Shame....

[Beautifulwound]

Anyone know where this dvd (released by Universum Film) can be purchased using cash or cheque?

I'm growing increasingly desperate to see it and don't want to end up having to watch the cut version.

[Vaughan]

I've seen it in several DVD store around here. Not sure if it's still there, or the price though....

[Andrew Woo]

Your stores got German DVDs? I'm impressed. ;)

[Beautifulwound]

The price is not a problem!

Where are these stores you speak of? Nottingham? Perhaps the one in the Arcade just off the market square? It's so long since I even went to Nottingham.

Thanks, by the way :D

[Vaughan]

Erm no - right now I'm in Frankfurt - and so they have German DVD's :D

I am thinking it must have been 20 euro - because much cheaper and I'd have gotten it. Refresh my mind, what's good about this one?

[Andrew Woo]

It's available for 15,99 Euro at Amazon.de.
@Black: What are you doing in Frankfurt? That's not far from me. ;)

[Beautifulwound]

AAAAHHHHHH!!!!

(That's the sound of crushed hope)

It's the Ed Gein inspired movie that came out the same year as Texas Chain Saw Massacre. I've never seen it, but have heard it's pretty good.

Once I set my heart on something I torment myself until said something is in my hands. :rolleyes:

Hey, thanks Mr Woo. Any idea if they accept UK cheques?

[Vaughan]

Well, I was working. Where you at buddy? I'm heading down to a place outside of Karlsruhe tonight, you south of Frankfurt at all?

[Grant]

Are you after the brain-scooping scene then? :eek: Thats the only reason to get the German release I think. Me, I'm quite happy with the Midnite-Movie double-bill with Motel Hell...

Grant

[Andrew Woo]

I'm from Mainz, about 45 kilometers south-west of Frankfurt.

[Grant]

careful Andrew, I've heard Black's quite versed in brain-scooping :eek: :D

Grant

[Andrew Woo]

careful Andrew, I've heard Black's quite versed in brain-scooping :eek: :D

Grant
:eek: Uhhh, I'll be very careful then. ;)

[Beautifulwound]

That's right Grant. Brain-scoops a must for me, with a spoon as well if I've heard correctly! :eek:

Just checked amazon.de and it seems the only way for me to pay is by credit card. Looks like I'm gonna have to bribe my brother again... ;)

[Andrew Woo]

Looks like I'm gonna have to bribe my brother again... ;)
I hope, it works out.

[zanner]

i have the fully uncut dvd (with brain scoop scene in tact)... :) ...zanner.

[Beautifulwound]

Rub it in a bit more. :( :D

[zanner]

yeah, roberts blossom is excellent as the ed gein like character... :cool: ...zanner.

[Vaughan]

--I'm from Mainz, about 45 kilometers south-west of Frankfurt.--

That's not far - you know Landau in der Pfalz? I'm going to be there this weekend - pop on down for some free beer and movies ;)

[Andrew Woo]

--I'm from Mainz, about 45 kilometers south-west of Frankfurt.--

That's not far - you know Landau in der Pfalz? I'm going to be there this weekend - pop on down for some free beer and movies ;)
....and brain-scoops? ;) Well, I know about Landau but I've never been there.

[Count Yorga]

Ive heard of this dvd from Legend Home video, with the brainscooping intact.
isnt the scene taken from a vhs copy of the film? much grainier than the rest of it?
Excellent film though, creepy and disturbing :eek:
/J

[Vaughan]

Every time this movie comes up, all anyone talks about is "brain scooping" - can someone give me some critical view on the movie as a whole?

[Grant]

Theres a review by our Stu Willis over at SGM...

Grant

[zanner]

www.sazuma.com have this version for 16.95 euros

zanner.

[Marty Moose]

Am I imagining it or is the brain scooping scene not shown in 'American Nightmare' or some other similair horror doc?
I have the Midnite Movies with Motel Hell than I paid about 2quid for brand new, and it's more than adequate for this uneven little curio.

[zanner]

well i suppose completests want the real deal... :) ...zanner.

[Callahan]

I got that DVD and i gotta say that this movie is for sure not a masterpiece, but it is worth watsching. Nice Ed Gein pic. Roberts Blossom does his job prety well.

To The DVD:
Picture and sound are very good, only the "brain-scene" has a poorer quality.
The Bonus materials are pretty nice too. Very nice Gein-Doku.


Well... for me it was defenitely worth the 10 €.

[zanner]

10 euros...thats cheap... :cool: ...zanner.

[MarcMorris]

Picture and sound are very good, only the "brain-scene" has a poorer quality.


The brain scooping scene was sourced from the old VHS Moore Video release.

[zanner]

i thought so... :cool: ...zanner.

[the dude]

Black I reviewed this at my old site. It's still there if you wanna read my opinion of the film. Skip my run down of the plot as it contains some minor spoilers. I liked it; the only film that is an accurate portrayal of Ed Gain apart from that rubbish film called Ed Gein

[Vaughan]

Thanks thedude! That is exactly what I was looking for, hm, seems like something I should add to my every longer list! Nice review by the way.

Why do you say "old site"? You give up on it?

[Beautifulwound]

I should be in Deranged heaven pretty soon--big brother is SO generous! :D

[the dude]

Why do you say "old site"? You give up on it?

Yeah, I'm afraid I did. My friend and I were doing reviews but he just never seemed bothered to write many, and I was getting tired of watching horror films with the point of reviewing them in mind. I stopped enjoying watching horror films, so I decided not to bother reviewing them anymore. Now I enjoy them again.

Glad you liked my review though. I might start putting them on the review thread here.

Watched Curse of Frankenstein last night for the first time. Wonderful film and a superb print by Warners.

Black - get MGM's midnite movie of Deranged as it is doubled with Motel Hell. The brain scooping is missing though, if it is important to you.

[Vaughan]

Sorry to hear about the review thing, thedude. Maybe you could hitch up with another site - without a schedule attached - and only write about eh movies that "inspire" you ;)

If you want/need ideas about that, PM me.

[claire]

The German DVD is excellent, with about 70 minutes of extra features - including nice featurettes on the making of the film, and the real Ed Gein.

One of my favourite 70s horror films.

[Beautifulwound]

Sounds better every minute. 70 minutes of extras! :)

[zanner]

i think the menu is in german, so be carefull what you press... :eek: ...zanner.

[Callahan]

jeez... can't be too hard to find the right buttos... just try and soon you know wherer everything is ;)

[Vaughan]

Are those extras in English?

[zanner]

jeez... can't be too hard to find the right buttos... just try and soon you know wherer everything is ;)
yeah, it's pretty easy to suss out... :) ...zanner.

[claire]

Black, yes the extras are in English.

[Callahan]

I checked the DVD again today... quality is really good and the extras are pretty cool also (especially the "True crime documentary")

[Beautifulwound]

Mine arrived this morning. Very nice--lovely packaging.

There's a 24 page booklet included with german text. Could anyone tell me whether there is a decent, free, german-english translation site? I've had a look, but none of the ones I've found seem to work :confused:

Any advice would be much appreciated! :)

[zanner]

ask black, he does germany frequently... :) ...zanner.